Sunday, September 23, 2007

Sunday Roundup

Stuart Taylor and I were guest-blogging last week at the Volokh Conspiracy. Here’s a full list of our posts for the week.


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Considerable media coverage greeted the welcome news last week that Duke has pledged $1.25 million over five years to expand the Law School’s Wrongful Convictions Clinic and Innocence Project.

Said Jim Coleman, the driving force behind the project and the voice of moral clarity in the lacrosse affair, “The lacrosse case attracted a lot of publicity, but is not the only case in which innocent people have suffered harm through the state’s legal system.”

Associate Dean Theresa Newman added, “What we hope to be able to do is certainly educate more of our students on the causes of wrongful convictions and other aspects of the criminal justice system. We're also hoping to reach out beyond the walls of the law school to the Durham community, the Piedmont region, the state of North Carolina, the Southeast and even beyond that.”

Intriguingly, the program envisions an undergraduate component as well. Based on events of the past 18 months, this initiative should be housed in the Economics Department.

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For those who haven’t yet seen it, Johnsville News has a new feature, “The Duke Saga in Pictures,” that takes the case from start to finish in a visual form.

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Friday and Saturday, I will be in Durham to participate in Duke Law School’s “Court of Public Opinion” conference. Former federal judge David F. Levi, now dean of Duke Law School, noted, “All of these cases raise fundamental questions about the proper balance between the rights of the individual and the public, and about appropriate conduct by members of the bench, bar and media in response to intense public interest.”

I’m presenting at a panel on the new media and high-profile cases; and will have several posts on the other panels as the conference proceeds.

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More than one week after the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People formally endorsed Victoria Peterson—a vicious homophobe who urged burning down the lacrosse house, appeared on the platform with the leader of a hate group, and suggested that Duke Hospital had tampered with DNA evidence—the Herald-Sun editorial pages have had nothing to say about the move.

Imagine if, say, Friends of Durham had endorsed a white candidate who appeared with the KKK; suggested that all gay people were cross-dressers who would die of AIDS; and had advocated burning down Crystal Mangum’s house. Does anyone believe that Bob Ashley would have been silent?

The silence speaks volumes about the paper’s more general philosophy.

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So, what does concern Editor Ashley and his colleagues on the editorial page? Resurrecting the Campus Culture Initiative report, which was produced by a committee spearheaded by anti-lacrosse extremists Peter Wood, Anne Allison, and Karla Holloway; and which included Chauncey Nartey, the Duke student who sent an e-mail the Presslers considered threatening to their daughter.

Unsurprisingly, given this composition, the CCI produced a report that appeared to indulge the wildest fantasies of the Group of 88.

Last week, Ashley and his board expressed displeasure that Duke provost Peter Lange appeared unwilling to endorse the CCI’s extremist proposals.

“We hope the university will keep focusing on some of the worthy goals contained in the initial report. It said that the stereotype of Duke students as hard-working and hard-partying should be challenged. The campus should become ‘a more inclusive academic community . . . in which openness and engagement with difference of all types . . . are expected and supported.’ It also suggested reevaluating the university's policies on alcohol use and athletics. All of those analyses should continue.”

Ashley, et al., continued, “There are those who will say that because the lacrosse charges were found to be bogus, any concerns or issues raised by the case are also bogus. We don’t buy that, and we don’t think the university does either.”

The latter statement could well be true. But it’s equally true that those who so misjudged lacrosse events—such as the Group of 88 or Ashley’s Herald-Sun—have lost any and all credibility to lecture others on the appropriate lessons to draw from the case.

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Last week, in an interview with Boston’s public radio station, Ashley was asked, given the repeated inaccuracies in his paper’s editorials, whether he feared a libel suit against the Herald-Sun.

His quite astonishing response? “That’s probably the sort of thing that’s best for me not to comment on, one way or the other, quite frankly.” (The quoted item appears at 21.21 of the linked interview.)

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his own work. I’ll have much more on this interview in Tuesday’s post.

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The N&O reports that the Durham DA’s office has dropped trespassing charges against Group of 88 stalwart Anne Allison and anti-lacrosse extremist Orin Starn. (The duo had been cited for trespassing as part of their latest ideological crusade.)

The decision, at least, spared the office the burden of prosecuting two people who did so much to bolster the DA office’s basic storyline over the past 18 months.

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Camille Paglia has an incisive and delightfully written review of three new gender studies books in this week's Chronicle of Higher Education. Her essay serves as a reminder that the one-sided response in the lacrosse case from advocates of the race/class/gender trinity is a commonplace occurrence on academic issues that attract little or no outside attention.

Her concluding passage: “When any field becomes a closed circle, the result is groupthink and cant. The stultifying clich├ęs of gender studies must end. But in the meantime, all faculty members should vow, through their own scholarly idealism rather than by external coercion, not to impose their political or sexual ideology on impressionable students, who deserve better.”

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Delaware attorney general Beau Biden (son of the senator and presidential candidate) had a powerful editorial last week explaining why Mike Nifong’s actions were so harmful. He wrote that prosecutors playing to the media “further erode[s] the public’s confidence in the fair administration of justice.

“One such extreme example is Mike Nifong, the former district attorney, who falsely prosecuted three members of the Duke University lacrosse team and conducted more than 50 newspaper and television interviews before any indictments.

“As The Los Angeles Times observed, Mr. Nifong ‘lost control of his tongue and participated in the transformation of this incident from a case into a cause—usually an ominous development for the administration of justice.’

“Rogue prosecutors like Nifong use the media for strategic advantage in criminal cases. They have been known to conduct perp walks, hold ‘over-the-top’ press conferences, issue inflammatory press releases and leak opportunistic information to favored journalists, all in the name of obtaining a conviction and furthering their own careers.

“At the same time, such conduct has helped sell newspapers and boosted television ratings. This conduct has created an unholy alliance between the media and the few prosecutors who engage in such behavior.

“This is simply unacceptable.

“Win-at-all-cost practices violate a prosecutor’s sacred and ethical duty to protect the accused’s right to a fair and impartial trial.

“Moreover, they are inconsistent with the fundamental constitutional principle that all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

“As the American Bar Association’s standards for criminal justice advise, a prosecutor should not make any public statement he or she ‘knows or reasonably should know ... will have a substantial likelihood of prejudicing a criminal proceeding.’

“The rush to judgment—or to comment—on the part of prosecutors like Nifong and the media understandably erodes people’s confidence in the administration of justice. Such conduct makes it harder for the vast majority of honorable and committed prosecutors to do their jobs.”

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Finally, a scheduling announcement. In the past few weeks, it has become increasingly clear that some case-related events (the civil suit against Durham, the possible launch of a federal criminal inquiry, the fate of the Whichard Committee, perhaps a few other matters) will extend beyond the blog’s scheduled closing date of October 1.

As a result, I am planning weekly posts, every Monday, for October and probably into November. This handful of posts will be limited in nature—along the lines of several recent posts that summarized key events, quotes, or people in the case. They will, in essence, be an afterword to the blog.

I didn’t want to leave the blog in an incomplete state, and, since most case-related matters are either winding down or (as with a possible criminal inquiry) transitioning into events beyond the scope of this blog, this approach seemed to me the most sensible one.

121 comments:

Anonymous said...

"I didn’t want to leave the blog in an incomplete state, and, since most case-related matters are either winding down or (as with a possible criminal inquiry) transitioning into events beyond the scope of this blog, this approach seemed to me the most sensible one."

Your dedication and work ethic are absolutely stellar.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all of your efforts, Professor Johnson. The case will drag on for years in the form of libel suits and civil action. In the end, perhaps, justice will be done.

Bob H. said...

Duke Law School seems to be busy all of a sudden. How nice, money for this, a forum for that.

Where were they when their students were being railroaded by a corrupt prosecutor, operating within a rotten system, all under their noses for years? Sorry, but this strikes me as a hollow effort, long after others did the heavy lifting, after the students and parents had sleepless nights, threats from the Black Panthers, had their university officials invite outsiders in to castigate them for crimes that never occurred. Like the rest of the Duke faculty who stood by and did NOTHING while their peers and so-called colleagues expressed disdain for their own students and their way of life, openly racist remarks from tenured professors, the “great legal scholars” of the Law School sat on their hands. NOW you want to do something? NOW?

Debrah said...

I hope I don't get depressed by the sheer finality of it all.

Anonymous said...

Thanks KC for keeping the blog going on a once a week basis. If the other Lacrosse players sue Duke and there is discovery then I’m sure you will have more material.

Do you have any indication as to whether Durham will take the offer or go to trial?

j.nc said...

For those who haven’t yet seen it, Johnsville News has a new feature, “The Duke Saga in Pictures,” that takes the case from start to finish in a visual form.

Thank goodness for the photoshop-like gaussian blur strategically applied to the party scenes. I won't have to scratch my eyeballs out.

As a result, I am planning weekly posts: sweet

Debrah said...

I simply adore Camilla Paglia.

Never have I read such an in-depth discussion of sperm.

Not since Our Bodies, Ourselves.

LIS!

Debrah said...

Stuart's BookTV program will be shown tomorrow (Sunday) at 1:30 PM on C-SPAN.

Don't forget to watch.

Anonymous said...

"NOW you want to do something? NOW?"

Yes.

And that's as it should be.

No one can go back and change the past. The choices, then, become "do the right thing now" or "do the right thing never", and it's obvious that the latter serves no good purpose.

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Debrah said...

"No one can go back and change the past."

Hark!

I feel another Bono rush coming on.

Debrah said...

TO 12:30 AM--

I agree that Duke's law school was, for the most part, MIA.

One wonders what those professors are teaching their students this year in light of their anemic responses to what was happening right under their noses.

However, you seem to hate everything that is Duke.

Debrah said...

“That’s probably the sort of thing that’s best for me not to comment on, one way or the other, quite frankly.”

GIS!

I think Ashley and Paxton fully expect to be sued.

Who knows if it happens?

It should.

Debrah said...

There's an issue that's on my mind right now regarding the upcoming civil suit against Durham.

Letters in the News & Observer today (Saturday) ran 3-1 against the lacrosse players.

With an even representation thoughout the Triangle area, people seem to be against the 30 million being discussed.

The N&O editorial staff has added to this sentiment, no doubt, by printing their views on the matter. But why not explain the difference in this case and the ones in the past?

Those like the Gell and the Dail cases are not the same. These men were sent to prison because of things unknown and certainly they were not known to be innocent before being prosecuted.

The lacrosse case stands out as being much more troubling and vile because these men were being prosecuted even though the district attorney, the police department, the press, and most of the public knew there was no evidence.

Yet we witnessed this case continue to move ahead...with all the knowledge and with such a total lack of evidence.

Intent is what this civil suit is about.

This is to punish those who engaged in pure evil, bastardizing the judicial system.

Those cases that LAX detractors love to use as a comparison were the result of what was not known at the time......certainly not to the extent of Durham's fiasco.

If the News & Observer had the motivation inside its editorial offices to explore and illuminate these distinctions, then an ignorant and biased public would not now be whipped-up over this civil suit against Durham.

Anonymous said...

I've just read the Paglia review KC cited. She--and KC--make the mistake of collapsing three books from different fields into "Gender Studies." (She should also have been more clear about the difference between Women's Studies and Gender Studies) Why the collapsing? An historian--as one of the authors cited is--who writes on the history of sexuality produces a volume that will be of interest to far more people than those involved in gender studies. For you who aren't knee jerk anti-gender studies people, parts of the Paglia interview are complimentary. For those of you who find gender studies part of a conspiracy to downgrade American academia: Watch out! It's gone worldwide. One of the books--a revised Dutch doctorate--was published in Amsterdam (Attitudes towards sex in the Netherlands are rather different than in the US, but that's OT.) EEEEEEEEEEEEKKKK!

Debrah said...

Warning: Read this later in the morning, but make sure you do before you've eaten. It's stomach-turning for this beast to be opining about "hypocrisy".


Hypocrisy -- feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not -- is as old as humanity and has been condemned just as long. Homer and Confucius lambasted the behavior, as did Chaucer and Shakespeare. When he wasn't decrying "ye hypocrites," Jesus was asking, "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

The charge retains great force today, especially in America, said William H. Chafe, a history professor at Duke University.

"Generally speaking, Europeans and people in other parts of the world are less intent on having people be completely consistent," he said. "They don't see anything wrong with a French foreign minister or a French president defending family values and having an affair."

Americans, Chafe said, are more influenced by a cocktail of Puritanism and anti-intellectualism that leads us to embrace the moral argument while "detesting" what seems like "hair-splitting and seeming contradictions. We tend to favor the simple truth over arguments full of nuance."

Debrah said...

Here's the full text:

Are we all hypocrites?

Debrah said...

"...a cocktail of Puritanism and anti-intellectualism..."

I wonder.....(while contemplating the homiletic).....

Do these Gritty Gang of 88 urchins ever have anything original to say?

Poor Chafe might well have just made a recording of any tedious 88-er and sent it over to Zane.

LOL!!!

Debrah said...

And yes, I have insomnia.

BTW.....the film Insomnia with Pacino is muy excellente.

Anonymous said...

Deborah, put down the mouse,back away from the screen, take your medicine,and go to bed.This blog has been like Christmas every day. It will be there in the morning. You are keeping KC up.

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Anonymous said...

$1.25m is enough to defend against a combined criminal + civil assault for about a year for one case. Big deal.

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Debrah said...

TO 3:47 AM--

KC is in bed.

He doesn't care what we do.

I have a case of insomnia because I fell asleep earlier tonight and now.......it's Diva time!

I will get more sleep when the Wonderland gates are locked.

Debrah said...

TO 3:21 AM--

Yes, I think we can safely say that attitudes toward sex in Amsterdam are a bit different.

Debrah said...

How easily a furtive midnight meeting can morph into full-throttle piquancy.

Ok, I suppose I should try to go back to sleep for now.

Tomorrow is another day.

Time to cool phlogistonic Diva issues.

Anonymous said...

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AS RELIGION

(Part 6 of 3)

I. PREFACE

I wanted to have a Preface to this post because I believe that it would be a first for K.C. Johnson's comment section.

II. FORWARD

See "Preface" above.

III. THE START OF THE REAL POST

It is now common knowledge that political correctness is a religion, even though it is preached, ironically, by many who would eschew any other faith-based pursuits. "Correctology," as it is called, shares all of the distinguishing traits of religion, including a creation theory, a set of rules, logical fallacies that require a measure of "faith" and even sacred words. In fact, a recent peer-reviewed study found Correctology to be canonically and chromosomally indistinguishable from Scientology.

IV. ACTUALLY, THIS IS THE NEW STUFF

An as yet unexplored area in which Correctology shares characteristics with other major religions is this: All religions promote certain beliefs, values and actions and discourage others. For example, Hinduism is a very cattle-friendly religion. Hindus encourage cattle-friendliness because the animals are believed to be sacred. It is no surprise then that a fine steak knife set, which literally might be used to strike at a sacred belief, no matter how trendy, is discouraged as a Hindu wedding gift.

Religions discourage those beliefs, values and actions that might lead to divisive inquiry into the religions' central tenets. Hence, the classic battle between science and faith has been fought from Galileo to Darwin to Darrow to Summers.

V. FEMINISM V. LARRY SUMMERS

The brilliant ultra-anti-contra-feminist Camille Paglia has stated that "Woman is the dominant sex" because men have to constantly "flex" things just to gain woman's attention. This goes further than the standard feminist saw, which is that men and women are equal.

Anyone who adheres to the "equal" standard will get a pass from the priestesses of feminism. Anyone who points out the (seemingly obvious) differences in genitalia, fashion sense or algebraic abilities is persona non grata because such reflective inquiry into a central tenet might discover its illusory nature.

VI. RACISM V. DUKE LACROSSE

The lacrosse players unwittingly and involuntarily challenged central taboos of "Racism," which is another large sect of Correctology that believes all answers are pigment-based. One of the gospels of Racism (or "metanarrative" as the Racialists like to say) is that everyone is equal in all things. (Racialists do not explain why, if everyone is equal in all things, diversity is needed).

The Duke lacrosse players were equally susceptible to hatred for raping black women, even though government statistics proved that Duke lacrosse players don't rape black women. Any suggestion otherwise, was heretical or "racist" ideology, as it struck at a central tenet of the religion.

VII. CONCLUSION

Every being of flesh or human construction capable of preserving itself will fight to the death to do so. In the case of Racism and Feminism, the best way to avoid extinction is to keep the genders and races apart. Furthermore, science, logic, math or statistics can only be trusted to point out the inherent logical fallacies in any religion. Therefore, their use must be discouraged.

[NOTE: The parody above is the work of the author and should not be inflicted on any rational person]
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"Not only does K.C. know the meaning of life, he can divide it by zero." BOOK OF SCIENTOLOGY, at Preface (Hubbard, 1952). MOO! Gregory

gwallan said...

@debrah

Too much coffee.

mac said...

Good move on the blog, KC.
I'm sure that this will delight those who thought they would have you off their backs!

mac said...

MOO!Gregory:

Missed ya recently. Glad to see you back!

I wonder if "Correctology" isn't a form-variant of Co-rectology, the kind we associate with inflammation of the epithelium of the distal end of the digestive lumen, which - as an inflammatory agent - migrates so far to the north that it interferes with vision (AKA "oculorectitis.") Such an inflammatory process is known to give one a "shitty outlook on life," and is particularly evident in many signing the so-called "listening statement," which are both one-and-the-same.

Bob Ashley's commentary about the CCI is fascinating, too: expecting CCI to be embraced by Duke is like endorsing Pol Pot as the remedy for Cambodia!

mac said...

The Duhh Committee on the Affairs of Black People endorses Peterson? Well Duhh.

Wonder who UBUNTU is endorsing?

Wonder who Ashley is endorsing?

We already know who Jesse Jackson is endorsing. He's a walking self-endorsement.

mac said...

BTW: Peter Lange looks more and more like a likely successor to Rodhead all the time.

Anonymous said...

Is it true that the other lacrosse team members have organized and are considering/planning a lawsuit? This has been mentioned several places. Maybe this would put additional pressure and spotlight on Brodhead et al, and the Board would act, finally. (Still hoping for his exit from Duke. Why/how is he still there?)

miramar said...

Regarding Bob Ashley's comment that, “That’s probably the sort of thing that’s best for me not to comment on, one way or the other, quite frankly.”

I hope he extends that policy to all matters relating to Duke University, including the CCI. Ashley is the last person who should be lecturing Duke and its students about anything.

Anonymous said...

I wonder whether Duke's decision to expand its Wrongful Convictions project was actually one of the terms of the settlement with the three wrongfully-accused lacrosse players. It seems hard to imagine that Brodhead thought this up all by his spineless little self.

John in DC said...

I was glad to see that over at VC several posters questioned your interpretation of the G88 ad and associated conclusions.

In particular I quote another guest:
All that said, it's still a grossly unfair and tendentious reading of the statement to associate it with the "Castrate" banner at one of the protests--even though KC doesn't seem to be able to mention the one without reflexively mentioning the other.

Sounds about right to me.

Jim in Richmond said...

Bob H asked where the Duke law school was during the case. Well, among other things, students and faculty were running a clinic to help prisoners at Guantanomo who gleefully admit their desire for a theocracy that would have no need for lawyers. Wally Delinger, who taught me Constitutional law, was challengng the Solomon amendment (no Federal funds for a university that bars military recruiters). Duke law barred JAG Corps. because of the no ask, no tell law on homosexuals. I oppose no ask, but JAG has no control over it. Duke Law has invited congressmen/women who voted for no ask/no tell to speak. Wally and his crew lost in the Supreme Court by unanimous decision, so he must have seen it coming. Nevertheless he found time for windmill jousting, but even after being urged to speak out, remained MUTE on Nifong.

My fellow Dukies at my church are giving Duke $.88 when solicited this year to protest the gang of 88.

jamil hussein said...

FBI reviewing anti-Jena 6 Web page
"The FBI is reviewing a white supremacist Web site that purports to list the addresses of five of the six black teenagers accused of beating a white student in Jena and "essentially called for their lynching," an agency spokeswoman said Saturday."


Isn't this exactly what AA hate groups (and columnists?) did in Duke Lacrosse hoax case? Why wasn't FBI interested in that? Black Panthers, Klan88 and Victoria Peterson issued similar threats against white lacrosse players and didn't the wrongly accused players addresses' got exposed by left wing columnists and AA hate mongerers?
Isn't this FBI action itself a case for civil rights investigation?
Only difference is the race here.

W. Lubiano said...

Well, it's easy to see how much of the general comments about bigotry, privilege and discrimination made by the G88 member are actionable items, but this is only true, as it turns out, as it applies to the G88 members themselves.

mac said...

John in DC,

Did you read Wahneema's email? The one where she said that it was about the "Duke lacrosse incident?"

Guess not.

Critics of his commentary - people who've said that the listening statement was about race and sex in general - are proven wrong. Signatories - unless they really don't know how to read - knew that they were signing an anti-lacrosse statement.

Did you read her email?

mac said...

Addendum

"His commentary" (meaning critics of KC's commentary)

Enoch said...

Bob Ashley on Nifong's re-election said "I’m glad it will be resolved in the judicial system, not at the ballot box.”
Now he is going to get his wish in the civil trial against Durham.

It's a trifecta. Official misdeeds will be aired in court. The bigotry of Durham will be exposed (remember: "Nifong's reelection is proof that rich white boys can't buy justice in Durham"). The City will pay big.

Who says crime does not pay?

mac said...

Jamil Hussein,

You have a point: when a Judge by the name of Stephens allows verbal threats to be uttered in his courtroom, rational people would have to conclude that the FBI might've been called in - (or that at least some action on the part of the judge would have been taken...) Stephens inaction makes it an official lynching.

Not that the Nazis (Socialists) in Roanoke are any better: they're stupid jackboots, who ought to go make love with the NBPP of North Korealina. Both groups are cowardly creeps from hell.

Anonymous said...

I hope that KC Johnson keeps this blog up & running. It provides a wonderful window into the nasty right wing of the US. It keeps you guys off the streets and increasingly supports assertions of KC's right-wing nastiness. Yes, yes, he supports B. Obama, so he has to be liberal. I don't think so.

John in DC said...

Did you read Wahneema's email? The one where she said that it was about the "Duke lacrosse incident?"-Mac

Yes, I most certainly did. Please show me where I suggested it was not about the incident.

AF said...

Debrah @ 2:58

How beautifully put! Intent was the difference. Of course, there are those who will deny an intent to deceive (yeah, right) and want us to believe that their indiscretions were totally remiss.
Let the lawsuits begin. Are they warranted--you bet. It really doesn't matter whether the good people of Duhhhh have to come out of their pockets. They elected these idiots and now they pay for their stupidity. Maybe they can get the IRS to allow a deduction for a stupid tax.

Debrah said...

TO 10:04 AM--

Well...it would certainly keep your "anonymous" nastiness off the streets.

Let's be clear: For normal people without your brand of hidden agenda, there is nothing on this thread or this blog that is decidely "right-wing".

My senses tell me that you are an ultra-Liberal, though. Therefore, anything uttered or typed which is to the right of loon Cindy Sheehan would seem abrupt and not to your liking.

Such stereotyping leads to, well......stereotyping.

It's a vicious circle, no?

Debrah said...

"Well, it's easy to see how much of the general comments about bigotry, privilege and discrimination made by the G88 member are actionable items, but this is only true, as it turns out, as it applies to the G88 members themselves."

Yet another exercise in ambiguity and double-speak.

Diaphanous rhetoric conquering

Debrah said...

TO af--

Yesterday's N&O was filled with letters--well, about 4 or 5--which were mostly against the lacrosse players.

IMO, the N&O engendered this negativity by their recent editorial.

I suspected that in no time, they would once again begin their enabling game.....and they have.

Gary Packwood said...

Debrah 2:58 said...

...Intent is what this civil suit is about.
::
Well said.

And many of those who intended are still around intending to...do it again while we wait for our elected officials to announce their intention to do something intentionally about such injustice.

This is beginning to sound like Elizabeth Taylor's famous line from ....The Lion in Winter.
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GP

scott said...

Thank you, Beau Biden, for providing some evidence of a rathional thought process within the Biden family.

Debrah said...

I would personally like to know more about the hotline between the N&O and the faculty at Duke--namely members of the Gang of 88.

If someone sneeszes, they run to those agenda-filled archaic masses of hyperbole and hysteria for a comment...as you can see in the Zane article in the Q section today.

Chafe is supposed to be schooling us on "hypocrisy".

Give me a break.

Debrah said...

TO 10:39 AM--

And I don't think he plagiarized it, either.

LIS!

Debrah said...

TO GP--

Yes, the shift has already begun.

The media--forget about the H-S as we know their position--are turning into a form of pre-disbarred-Nifong days.

This is mostly because of a deep envy.

Some expressed. Much not expressed.

IMO, many people do not want to see already-affluent people "make out too well".

Mass schadenfreude always conquering

Anonymous said...

"I hope that KC Johnson keeps this blog up & running. It provides a wonderful window into the nasty right wing of the US. It keeps you guys off the streets and increasingly supports assertions of KC's right-wing nastiness."



Many of the post on this blog are from people who look at the facts and then try to draw a logical conclusion based on the facts.
If you can argue with someone based on facts instead of name calling you are far more likely to change someone’s opinion.

“When somebody persuades me I am wrong, I change my mind. What do you do?”
— John Maynard Keynes

mac said...

10:04 doesn't know what a "right wing" is; she hasn't heard a truly racist talk about racial superiority, not in-person, face-to-face. I have. It's a sobering experience.

These were white supremacists, Turner Diary nuts, not the black supremacists like the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago - (the one that Obama is scheduled to speak at soon) - nor the Houston Bakeresque/Mark Anthony Neal black supremacists. I haven't had the opportunity to meet with them personally. Except when their proteges walk up and down my street, mumbling stuff about "whitem'f'ers."

Having heard the Turner Diary-type nutjobs in person, I understand how dangerous they are.

By tarring people like KC "right wing," she proves that she lives in an isolated, privileged community of leftwing thinkalikes, and that there is no ammunition left in her arsenal.

She might as well fart in a space suit.

Anonymous said...

The Duke Lacrosse Saga in Pictures in the Johnsville News reminds us once again that from the very beginning Durham Police knew that 1) CGM has given contradictory versions of events, 2) Kim Roberts had indicated the whole thing was a crock, and 3) no one had laid a hand on CGM. So it was obvious the story didn’t make much sense, but DPD and Nifong kept going as though they had an open and shut case. Once you add the time-stamped photos to the mix, then it became clear that she was severely impaired during the party, so her testimony went from contradictory to meaningless. When the DNA results came back in April it should have been 100% clear that she was delusional, but Nifong still went to NCCU the next day to insist the case was not going to go away. One day in jail is not enough for this man. It’s not even enough for Gottlieb, Wilson, and Addison.

BTW, the photo essay also reminds us that, contrary to popular opinion in DIW, Brodhead HAS apologized: “I am sorry the woman and her friend [sic] were subjected to such abuse.” Is that the best you can do, Dicky? Speaking for myself, anyone who gives me $400 for five minutes of work can insult me as much as they want!

Debrah said...

Oh, goodie!

Billy-Bob is going to make endorsements soon.



Newspaper's endorsements coming soon

Sep 23, 2007

It's difficult to turn on the television, pick up a newspaper or log on to a news Web site these days without being bombarded with the campaign for president.

That's an important election, to be sure.

It also is still more than a year away, even the earliest caucuses and primaries won't come until early 2008 (OK, maybe very late 2007, the way states are jockeying to be first), and here in North Carolina we won't be meaningful participants in the nomination process. The nominees may well will be settled by the time our primary rolls around.

But coming at us much more quickly are elections that will impact policy close to home -- local government elections in Chapel Hill, Durham, Carrboro and many other area towns.

As a result of The Herald-Sun's new policy of endorsing candidates, we've had an opportunity to spend some time individually with each of the 10 candidates for the Durham City Council, and that experience prompts some observations.

We are starting slowly with our endorsement efforts, undertaking just the Durham municipal elections this year. And, because there is an Oct. 9 primary for the council but not for the mayoral race, we've talked only with the council candidates. We'll be interviewing mayoral candidates Bill Bell and Thomas Stith next month.

On the council front, voters have a diverse set of choices. I hope that those of you who vote in Durham will take advantage of candidate forums, our coverage, and the insights offered by the endorsements of political action groups such as the Peoples Alliance, the Friends of Durham and the Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People.

All candidates struck me as earnest, and most had thought pretty seriously about what it would mean to be a council member and what they could bring, or would like to bring, to the office.

To be fair, a couple appear to have waded into waters that were much deeper than they anticipated, and without much clue as to what to do now that they are there.

But I've seldom been through a local election cycle where that wasn't true of a candidate or two. The fact that well-meaning folks sometimes greatly underestimate the challenge of seeking public office makes their civic enthusiasm no less real.

And, as always, I greatly respect the commitment that it takes for someone to campaign for -- not to mention serve -- in local government. As incumbents note, sometimes ruefully if still enthusiastically, the time demands are often even greater than they appear from the outside.

Moreover, in a city where debate can be as tumultuous as Durham, to run for office is to be willing to take a fair amount of verbal shelling.

That said, voters will have an opportunity to weigh different approaches to some of the city's key issues, ranging from crime to economic development to the nuts and bolts of street maintenance and other basic services.

In the mayoral campaign especially, we're seeing a campaign unfold with some serious punching and counter punching on those issues, and the process of debate and deliberation is valuable.

While the candidates are campaigning business at full tilt right now, it's worth mentioning that the time is fast approaching for citizens to step up to their far less taxing but equally vital part of this operation.

The early voting period is already underway, and closes Oct. 6.

If you haven't registered to vote yet, it's not too late, even for the primary. Under a new state law, you can register right up to the end of the early voting period. (The general election is Nov. 6.)

We're wrapping up our internal discussions of the candidates now, and expect to run our endorsements within the next several days. I should note that the endorsement decisions will be made by our editorial page staff, the publisher and myself.

Two news-side executives, Managing Editor Nancy Wykle and Metro Editor Dan Way, have joined us for the interviews, bringing valuable perspectives and gleaning important understandings of the candidates and the issues to help guide our coverage.

But as the folks most directly in charge of that news coverage, they won't be participating in the endorsement discussions or decisions.

Bob Ashley is editor of The Herald-Sun.

Debrah said...

Another stellar candidate--along the lines of Victoria Peterson--throws his hat into the ring for mayor of Durham.

LIS!!!


Paul Scott throws hat into mayoral race

By BriAnne Dopart : The Herald-Sun

Minister Paul Scott, a longtime Durham activist, officially announced his plans to run for mayor Saturday.

At a downtown press conference attended only by a Herald-Sun reporter and a cameraman for a Raleigh television station, Scott said his write-in candidacy would offer voters "something new besides people saying 'let's get tough on crime.' "

Referring to Mayor Bill Bell and his rival Thomas Stith as "Crime and Crimer," Scott said the city needed someone to look at the source of crime, not just how to handle criminals.

The right person to do that, he said, was someone who knew more about what the city's street-level constituents were up to.

"I'm very in touch with this hip-hop generation," he said. "I'm in touch from the trailer parks to the 'hood."

To research his voter base, he said, he's visited local barbershops and heard that what Durham residents want are more activities for youths.

"See this large space?" Scott asked, gesturing to the largely empty downtown CCB Plaza. "You have this wide-open space right here that's not even utilized. Why not have poetry readings, skateboarders, jugglers here? If [the city's current programs] were working, this place wouldn't be empty."

Reached for comment Saturday, Bell and Stith welcomed the third candidate.

"Everybody is free to run as long as they meet the criteria," Bell said, "That's one of the great parts of our political system."

Stith echoed the mayor's comments and encouraged Scott to read more about his campaign agenda.

Scott said he was a player behind the scenes in 2005 mayoral candidate Jackie Wagstaff's attempt to bring hip-hop culture into the city's political mix. While he wouldn't say why he thought Wagstaff's campaign was unsuccessful (she received 545 votes, about 4.3 percent), he said the difference between his campaign and hers is that he's very much in touch with young people on the street.

Scott's blog can be viewed at www.nowarningshotsfired.com.

Debrah said...

Can the thugniggaintellectual be far behind?

Anonymous said...

Debrah,

I think that Ashley is providing a true public service by offering endorsements. All you have to do is vote for the candidate that Ashley does not endorse and you are almost guaranteed to pick the more qualified candidate.

Debrah said...

TO 12:32 PM--

True.

But in Durham, the inept Ashley brand wins.

:>)

Debrah said...

How do you stop the corrupt, parasitic, and inept forces?

Anonymous said...

10.04 bleats: "... I don't think so."

No, one of your many problems is that you don't think at all. Be gone, meager troll, back to your AAAS faculty cube.

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Anonymous said...

Sounds like a good plan to me.
Thanks, KC.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Nifong reads this blog.
I wonder if false accuser CGM reads this blog. If they do, they might be laughing at us.

I wonder if Nifongs smirks while thinking that his 24 hours in jail is chump change compared to the damage he inflicted on 3 innocent boys and their families.

I wonder if CGM will ever pay, even in a little way for her wrongs?

Has there been - or will there ever be true justice in this case? It seems the real guilty either have paid nothing or very little.

Anonymous said...

"See this large space?" Scott asked, gesturing to the largely empty downtown CCB Plaza. "You have this wide-open space right here that's not even utilized. Why not have poetry readings, skateboarders, jugglers here? If [the city's current programs] were working, this place wouldn't be empty."

Oh, goodie! Now we have an excellent place for more UBUNTU dance recitals.

Debrah said...

"Considerable media coverage greeted the welcome news last week that Duke has pledged $1.25 million over five years to expand the Law School’s Wrongful Convictions Clinic and Innocence Project."

There's been lots of hefty gifts coming Duke's way lately.

About a billion dollars has been gifted to their medical facility by the Murdock billionaire. He's a health nut and wants to promote studies of age-related diseases.

Very good.

However, I have my doubts about the law school's Wrongful Convictions Clinic. Holding my breath.

Sounds nice and cuddly, but where were these law professors from the Spring of 2006 until now? Where were they?

All of a sudden they've found religion and are excited about wrongful convictions?

Don't gloss over this issue.

Yes, Coleman spoke out...but IMO, not enough. He's a law professor, for G/d's sake. Why shouldn't he? And since he's a black law professor, it was a given that those supporting the innocent lacrosse players automatically elevated his very tepid--yet fair and logical--statements.

Coleman is no Kirsten Kimmel. Let's be clear about that right now.

I wasn't going to mention this, but the letter from Coleman to the N&O that has received so much praise on this blog even used a phrase authored by the Diva that I had already used in a scathing letter to the Herald Sun last--a month before Coleman spoke out publicly on anything.

Some intelligent observers of this case were much more insightful and certainly more prescient than many of the "experts" were.

And less encumbered as they with a need to be tepid and circumspect.

It galls me when looking back on what I and others wrote to the area editorial pages...LONG BEFORE people like Coleman decided it was not going to damage him to speak out.....were taken and used by them.

And I know Coleman reads the H-S and other local publications because he has sent in letters to them.

He was even late lambasting the H-S for the Ed Bradley smear....at least his letter came long after mine.

So, please. I have no "hero" appellations for such people.

They were doing their jobs; however, I would have chosen to be much more vocal and forceful if I were a law professor at the school where three young men were being railroaded.

I understand KC. I understand him well.

I adore him with a passion, but on this I cannot agree.

His semi-alliance with the people at the N&O was mandatory. And with Joe Neff, he had a true journalist with whom to correspond.

And I truly believe that he has an affection for James Coleman...and Coleman, no doubt, is a fine man.

He's just not a "hero". This new law clinic is designed mostly for minorities who are possibly falsely convicted. Otherwise, there would not be so much enthusiasm at Duke or from Coleman.

I'd like to believe in a kumbaya, but we all have lived through the last year and know better.

Let's not mince words.

To quote the much-maligned Rumsfeld......"You go to war with the army you have."

KC had to work with what he had in and around Duke and Durham to provide his stellar and enduring performance.

But I don't choose to romanticize some of these people. Given their positions, the law professors at Duke showed themselves to be a sorry lot.

Especially the great man of justice Erwin Chemerinsky.

Where was he when Reade, Collin, and David could have used his power at Duke?

Debrah said...

Stuart Taylor on BookTV C-SPAN2 right now.

Anonymous said...

Duke law barred JAG Corps. because of the no ask, no tell law on homosexuals.... Wally and his crew lost in the Supreme Court by unanimous decision

That case was so dumb the lawyers who brought it should be sanctioned.

-- A former state supreme court clerk.

Debrah said...

If Coleman and any of his colleagues are ever able to come slightly close to this man and his dedication to the truth, then perhaps they might get close to what a hero is.

Unfinished Business

rrhamilton said...


scott said...
Thank you, Beau Biden, for providing some evidence of a rathional thought process within the Biden family.

9/23/07 10:39 AM


I like Joe Biden. He's one of the few Democrats who, if President, could make me sleep comfortably at night.

Gary Packwood said...

Debrah said...
...TO GP--
...Yes, the shift has already begun.
...The media--forget about the H-S as we know their position--are turning into a form of pre-disbarred-Nifong days.
...This is mostly because of a deep envy.
...Some expressed. Much not expressed.
...IMO, many people do not want to see already-affluent people "make out too well".
...Mass schadenfreude always conquering
::
IMO, Schadenfreude or the enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others, would be sufficient reason for the feds to intervene.

Not wanting to see already-affluent people 'make out too well' is a communicable disease that could spread quickly to other communities where advocates for the poor wish to separate the affluent from their cash.

And the thought that federal grant dollars to a university are paying for this outbreak of schadenfeude is just beyond the pale.

This particular stain must be particularly virulent I would surmise, after reading KC's postings to Volokh today. Lots of new material and new actors for Joseph Conrad's ...The Heart of Darkness.
::
GP

One Spook said...

The following entry appeared this morning (23 September) in the comments following the September 22 "Lubiano's Cover E-Mail" posting. It is an Anon comment and accordingly, impossible to authenticate, but if true it is a most telling, informative observation. I felt it was worthwhile to paste it here since a lot of you do not read previous comments after new subjects are posted.

Anonymous said...
I actually attended the African American Studies Department town meeting at the Franklin Center which occurred right before the ad was published. That night Wanheema Lubiano presided over a panel of presenters and then moderated a passionate discussion with the audience. I was horrified at the tenor of the discussion, specifically, that I NEVER ONCE heard a single person use the word "alleged" or refer to "the incident" as anything other than a given. The meeting never pretended to discuss what might have happened, but rather, to discuss how to react to what had happened.
Most important though, while I recognize some but not all of the quotes that appeared in the ad, in more or less the words that were used, there was NEVER, NOT ONCE, any attempt to ascertain the identity of the speakers, to determine if they were indeed Duke undergraduates, and if they were, if their words were specifically describing their experiences on Duke's campus as opposed to in life in general. It was my impression that many did not look young enough to be undergraduate students anywhere. Others clearly identified themselves as affiliated with NC Central. Others I recognized and knew as professors, some grad students, some activists.

9/23/07 10:34 AM


One Spook

Anonymous said...

I'm half-watching Stuart Taylor on C-Span. Stuart Taylor has two names of famous American generals. Before this blog ends, I have to ask if Taylor is related to Lt. Gen. Richard Taylor, who commanded a band of Texans in 1864 and though outnumbered almost 3:1 smashed a Yankee attempt to invade Texas.

RRH

no justice, no peace said...

Well done Stuart Taylor.

Thanks Deborah for the heads-up, I had not watched the CATO presentation before.

Too bad the replay is going up against the NFL for eyeballs, but the exposure is still great.

inman said...

RRH @ 2:44

How about Zachary Taylor? And I assume you're referring to James Ewell Brown Stuart.
_________________________________

I was also listening to Staurt Taylor and thought of a question that I have not seen asked nor answered to this point.

It is asserted that Mike Nifong's fundemental motivation related to his need for three years as a Durham DA so that he would receive his pension. My question is: Did his pension have a cliff vesting schedule -- i.e. unless he served those three additional years, he would receive nothing? Or did the additional three years mean that he would receive a full pension versus some smaller percentage of that full pension (90%, 75%, etc)?

If the former, then it seems to me that the criminal nature of his actions is all the more severe, for it would underscore the motive.

no justice, no peace said...

Ahmadinejad forum at Columbia...

The Dean would invite Hitler..

Holy smokes Columbia may be trying to move past Duke in the race to the bottom.

One wonders if Columbia's faculty, like Stanford's would strive to reject Donald Rumsfeld from being a member of the Hoover Institute?

These progressives are both fools and dangerous. And yet we pay $50,000 per year to support these knucleheads.

I would gladly accept the mantle of being an anti-intellectual, but maintain that there must be evidence of intellectualism before there can be an opposite position.

Are any of them self-critical?

Do they all think all ideas hold equal status?

Fools...

no justice, no peace said...

Inman, I believe that the pension issue was not so much a question of vesting but one of qualifying at a substanitally higher amount since he was DA.

Now there may have been a vesting element, which is why Nifong may have run after he told the Governor who appointed him that he would not. I always hold that as suspect since the Governor didn't seem to proclaim it a problem until after the boys innocence was proclaimed.

Other more knowledgable may be able to better detail Nifong's reasoning.

Anonymous said...

11:44, 12:43, Debrah, etc.,

Yep, racist. You don't have to be extremely offensive to be racist. I figure most of you pat yourselves on the back and think your comments are just mighty fine since you're not David Duke acolytes. Racist, to be sure.

And, I'm not liberal. I'm happily socialist. And, Debrah, Cindy S. is too hysterical for my taste. She's sort of a left-wing diva. You know, a mirror image of you.

And, no, I'm not in any of your so-called "identy studies." I just think you guys are NUTZ.

inman said...

3:53

With your well-reasoned analysis and factual summary,...that is a compliment.

Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Hey Inman, I didn't think facts were required to post here. Just hyperbolic nastiness!

Oops. I forgot. Reason is what you agree with.

Anonymous said...

NJNP

It is a no-brainer to invite a head of state to your university--especially a hostile one. I also believe Hitler would make an amazing Q&A participant. I'd love to know what his problem with Jews was, for example. Universities should not be cowed into inviting the usual safe mediocrities to campus (Hillary, Barack, George Will, et al) all the time. I'll take Hitler over Will any day of the week. By the way, has Will ever had an original idea?

Mr racism baiter (the guy who can't spell "identity"). I suggest you give precise examples of the offending remarks; then we may discuss it. You may have a point, but it's not to be made by name calling.

inman said...

njnp

You may very well be right. If the per-term pension payment is a function of the last few years' salary, then Nifong may have been eligible for a higher payment if he retained (i.e. was elected to) the DA position. But many pension plans base the per-term payment on length of service and salary levels. A bump in salary might have had some effect, but the length of service in Nifong's case could have been the principal driver.

Unless, of course, either (a) there was some type of 'cliff' vesting or (b) Durham's pension plan is an artifact of the abacus era of mathematics.
____________________________

4:42

Ordinary nastiness generally suffices. Hyperbolic nastiness is usually reserved for special guests.

Oh, and yes,...anyone who espouses indefensible positions regarding social dynamics and institutions ... who spew anathema at concepts underlying the Consitution and defense of Freedom ... who would gut that defense if they could endow a permanent Federal subsidy for all who claim an entitlement for whatever reason ... and then subsequently misrepresent their earlier stated, public position statements ...

...those folks could warrant 87+1 forms of exponential nuclear hyperbolic and pluperfect nastiness.

And then a bus's tire track across their collective intellectual forehead.

Anonymous said...

After reading Debrah's comments at 1:28, I'm reminded that on both sides, there are two kinds of people. One kind wants to find a way to bridge the gap between 'us' and 'them', to find a way for people with differences to live together in peace so that things like this don't happen in future. And the other kind doesn't want that kind of peace and mutual respect. They can't imagine ever granting 'them' any measure of respect; after all, haven't 'they' proven over and over again how foul they are, how simultaneously stupid and sly, how untrustworthy? What those people desire is not an elimination of the us-vs.-them paradigm, but simply for "us" to be up, and "them" to be down.

miramar said...

I had not seen the previous post's comment reproduced by One Spook at 2:43, so I am glad that he or she included it here. While it is indeed impossible to determine if the anonymous poster truly attended, it not only seems authentic, it would also explain many of the observations later reproduced in the listening ad. The commenter indicated that there was no way of knowing if the speakers were Duke students, and that several looked too old to be students at all. If you look at the listening statement, there is only one quote that refers specifically to Duke, and that comes from The Independent (29 March 2006): “This is not a different experience here at Duke University. We go to class with racist classmates, we go to gym with people who are racists….It’s part of the experience.”

So while Lubiano and friends wrote an ad that was supposedly "built around student articulations" (according to her email that KC reproduced yesterday), even this justification might have been a fake. The famous listening ad could very well have been based on comments from random members of the community or students from NCCU.

rrhamilton said...

After reading "anonymous at 5:08's" personal and substanceless attack on Debrah, I, too, and reminded that there are two kinds of people -- those with courage and integrity, and those without.

P.S. I'm glad to see that there's a judge in Jena who is one of the former.

Anonymous said...

Inman,

Zachary is of course the father of Richard Taylor, and so they became one of the father-son duos who protected Texas -- Zachary from the Mexicans in 1846 and Richard from the Yankees in 1864. It's why I have a child named Taylor :)

Anonymous said...

inman said...
3:53

With your well-reasoned analysis and factual summary,...that is a compliment.

Thank you!

9/23/07 4:30 PM


If the loony lefties are not calling you "racist", you're doing something wrong.

Debrah said...

And, no, I'm not in any of your so-called "identy studies."

******************************************

It is my hope that you find a course of study somewhere. Then you can function more adeptly when trying to spew bile on a blog.

Comprendes?

The two posts that you assigned to me are from someone else. I can only surmise that since I use my name, you lazily grasp for what is easier.

Just to drive reality home: Comments like yours serve to reinforce the quest to bring real justice and equality to this country.

One or two groups of people cannot continue to subsidize the unproductive and destructive masses.

Not just this country...but the entire world...saw what happened at Duke and in Durham. Many have opined that similar glossed-over injustices happen everyday where they live.

Time to grow up. People have grown tired of pacifying career criminals and baby machines.

Debrah said...

Dear "anonymous" kibitzer @ 5:08 PM--

What you saw in my post was shock that someone who is accomplished and holds a responsible position at an elite university is supposed to be granted "hero status" for doing what any decent person in his profession would have done.

In no way did I disrespect anyone.

...and you know it!

My senses tell me that you are the type of person out there we see everyday....who is not happy unless unearned accolades and overburdened praise are heaped on someone......

....simply because.

Because it is good for "race relations", but mostly because we are so relieved that someone went out of his way for some white guys.

I would have had no trouble at all working forcefully to help these men if they were black or any other group that might interest you.

The cause was and is for justice.

You see, the Diva has heaped a lifetime of praise on "people of color".....all her life. I was such a little friend of undue largesse that in school I was sometimes called a "n*****-lover" by the mean kids.

LOL!

I didn't care because I was smart and popular...and always the teachers' pet. It rolled right off.

Don't get me started on how I feel....that in the 21st century everyone isn't pulling their own weight by now.

Some of you guys are just finding it hard to grow up.

It's like a parent: I still love you all! But please take responsibility for your own lives and pay your way!

Stop expecting a free ride for everything...especially when you also wish to send three innocent men to prison for 30 years.

Most normal people look down on such depravity.

Anonymous said...

Quoth Debrah: "Just to drive reality home: Comments like yours serve to reinforce the quest to bring real justice and equality to this country.

"One or two groups of people cannot continue to subsidize the unproductive and destructive masses.

"Not just this country...but the entire world...saw what happened at Duke and in Durham. Many have opined that similar glossed-over injustices happen everyday [sic] where they live.

"Time to grow up. People have grown tired of pacifying career criminals and baby machines."

I maintain there is racist code in this post:

"1 or 2 groups subsidize the unproductive and destructive masses"--whom are you referring to, Debrah? The former? latter?

"pacifying career criminals and baby machines"--are any of the G88 career criminals or baby machines? Are you referring to black people? Why not just write it? Why resort to code? We're all adults here.

Debrah said...

To 5:08 PM--

Let me add a very significant fact to your silly and almost childish analysis.

You have shown that you live in a world where there is a "gap" to be bridged.

Sadly, you are like most people and probably do not draw a whole array of people inside your social circle.

The Diva has never had that problem.

There is no "gap" that separates me from anyone else on the globe...and my background is a testament to that.

I just don't have to twist myself into a pretzel pretending and patronizing and condescending to others so that maybe they will like me.

Good people exist everywhere.

I don't need to snuggle up to socially inept players who try to be "hip"....when all the while....all they are doing is giving everyone a bad show of over-compensation.

Over-compensation for what is not authentically inside them.

Go play your tired CD in someone else's sound system.

no justice, no peace said...

Inre: 4:49 "...It is a no-brainer to invite a head of state to your university--especially a hostile one..."

If so, one wonders why the progressives at SMU are up in arms and attempting to stifle other views by having the Bush library on campus.

Indoctrination with a fire hose...

Anonymous said...

KC - I do not believe that the folk inflicting their personal lives on the rest of us, is on topic.Wrin

Debrah said...

"1 or 2 groups subsidize the unproductive and destructive masses"--whom are you referring to, Debrah? The former? latter?

"pacifying career criminals and baby machines"--are any of the G88 career criminals or baby machines? Are you referring to black people? Why not just write it? Why resort to code? We're all adults here.


**********************************************

Crystal Gail Mangum is exhibit A......and there are so many more like her.

You keep flailing. This time, I fear you have bitten off more than you can chew.

You are not dealing with a little inexperienced-with-the-brothas-and-sistas-invertebrate.

You had better put on your game face if you want to dance with the Diva on this topic.

I've got stellar cred.

Anonymous said...

RRH --

Wow, not ten minutes and someone's already swooping in to enforce the groupthink. "Debrah's comments reminded him that some people act less wonderfully than they could! There is absolutely no chance at all that this is a question upon which we might profitably engage in some introspection, to see if this is a trap we have fallen into! No, we must dismiss it without discussion as a "personal and substanceless attack" and accuse the person who had the temerity to suggest it of being without "courage and integrity"!"

Here's the facts: Debrah suggested that "This new law clinic is designed mostly for minorities who are possibly falsely convicted." If she's saying that the clinic will end up disproportionately aiding minorities because minorities are disproportionately the victims of prosecutorial misconduct, what is her objection to that? If she's saying that the new clinic is designed to serve minorities in preference to non-minorites in equal need -- where is her evidence for that claim? Then she goes on to claim that if not for this focus-or-bias towards minorities, "there would not be so much enthusiasm ... from Coleman." Where is her evidence for that claim? Oh, yes, I know what she has submitted for evidence -- she has submitted her perceptions that the first Duke professor to speak up did so "late", and was too "tepid and circumspect" when he did. But even if those were objective facts and not subjective perceptions -- how can it be evidence for Debrah's amazing smear against Coleman, claiming the counterfactual that he would have less enthusiasm for this law clinic if it benefitted everybody??

I don't think someone who has so often chosen to knowingly tell untruths about Darryl Hunt, deliberately omitting the fact that another man whose DNA matched that found on Deborah Sykes has confessed to the crime and said he acted alone, has much to tell anyone about "courage and integrity". Even if you were talking from a position of courage and integrity yourself, however, it really wouldn't change much -- trying to deny any possibility that a statement has truth by leveling personal attacks at the person who stated it is simply the ad hominem fallacy. No one needs to know who I am to decide whether they believe that some people have indeed fallen into this trap of thinking that "us vs. them" is the way it has to be.

Anonymous said...

Saw Stuart Tayor on Book TV today. Enjoyed it a lot. Any news on the book and is it getting to stores?

Anonymous said...

It is all about the groupthink. Troll, moron and idiot are the words of group think. Obviously, they spend every waking moment on this blog. Anyone calling themselves the "diva" is as delusional as Crystal.

Anonymous said...

"Time to grow up. People have grown tired of pacifying career criminals and baby machines."

Wow, imagine what a better place the USA would be if more people thought like that. And voted...

Debrah said...

"If she's saying that the clinic will end up disproportionately aiding minorities because minorities are disproportionately the victims of prosecutorial misconduct, what is her objection to that?"

Let me make it very clear so that even an agenda-filled deliberate flamer-with-a-liberal-cause can understand.

Minorities in this country commit an overwhelmingly higher percentage of the crime.

It would follow that since they are constantly being arrested for those destructive efforts, and consequently, going through the justice system....the new law clinic at Duke will overwhelmingly benefit them before anyone else.

It is not my concern. It is my statement of fact.

I just wish that Coleman and his colleagues had been as animated and openly excited back in the Spring of 2006.

Try as you might, you can't make a Superman out of someone who simply did what any decent person should have done.

And yes, Coleman is a fine, stand-up guy. I like him.

Now keep flailing....because it is so apparent that you have a cause.

Anonymous said...

"My senses tell me that you are the type of person out there we see everyday....who is not happy unless unearned accolades and overburdened praise are heaped on someone......

....simply because."


Then I guess your senses are more accurately described as your wild guesses. You don't know who I am. You don't know how many months I have been posting here on this blog, posting on the injustices perpetrated by Nifong, Levicy, Addison, Gottlieb, Lubiano, Baker, Farred, Wilson (Linwood and Duff), Murphy and Grace and Goslee, Meehan and Stephens -- just to give a small cross-section. You know nothing about me at all, save that I had the temerity to suggest that some people on both sides were stuck looking at things only from an "us vs. them" perspective.

Have you said anything which would indicate I was wrong? Hardly! On the contrary! When merely suggesting that there is an "us vs. them" mentality causes you to lump me in with the "them":

"Stop expecting a free ride for everything...especially when you also wish to send three innocent men to prison for 30 years."

... well, obviously, the only way in which I was wrong was to not describe the "either you agree that we're right 100%, or you're one of them!" pathology that's so frequently co-morbid with the basic "us vs. them" limitation on thought.

Debrah said...

"You don't know who I am."

Let's keep it that way, little yellow-belly.

Does it give a coward such as yourself a rush to flame in cyberspace anonymously?

Are you afraid to discuss such things unless you do it anonymously?

In the scheme of things....where significant events happen in this world.....someone like you is essentially worthless.

Anonymous said...

anonymous at 6:08 said...

"Here's the facts..." (sic)


No, here's the fact: 5:08 was a naked attempt at character assassination.

Your 6:08 post does at least contain some substance. Debrah can respond if she wants to. I have in the past agreed with her that the public reaction to the lacrosse hoax of most black people is, along with the OJ verdict, spittle on the faces of "white moderates".

Here's another fact: If you had courage and integrity you would admit that you've claimed for months that "DNA exonerated Darryl Hunt" before adopting sub rosa my argument -- that the only thing "exonerating" Darryl Hunt is the word of a confessed killer.

RRH

Gary Packwood said...

Anonymous 5:53 said...

...I maintain there is racist code in this post:
...Why not just write it? Why resort to code?
::
Is this racist code your talking about related by birth to secret racism?

You entire comment was designed to slip in the phrase 'racist code' as if there is such a thing.

Attempting to frighten young people in the classroom by suggesting there is a 'racist code' in everyday conversation is just beyond the pale.

You are clearly running out of ammunition for your world view around race/gender/privilege.

And, be nice to debrah. She has a injured maximus or minimus... I forget. But she does.
::
GP

Anonymous said...

"Here's another fact: If you had courage and integrity you would admit that you've claimed for months that "DNA exonerated Darryl Hunt" before adopting sub rosa my argument -- that the only thing "exonerating" Darryl Hunt is the word of a confessed killer."

And the fact that there is no evidence that suggests Hunt was involved in Sykes' rape or murder, as determined by the Sykes Administrative Review Committee Report. You have known that for months, of course, and yet you always tell people falsehoods and mistruths instead, like 'just because the DNA evidence showed that Hunt didn't do the rape didn't mean he didn't do the murder' or 'there was so much evidence linking Hunt to the murder that he wouldn't dare risk a real trial' -- both completely false.

On the whole, I'm rather glad that you judge me as lacking courage and integrity -- if you told me that I did possess whatever qualities you are calling by those names, I'd immediately go into a frenzy of self-examination, trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Ralph Phelan said...

Last week, in an interview with Boston’s public radio station, Ashley was asked, given the repeated inaccuracies in his paper’s editorials, whether he feared a libel suit against the Herald-Sun.

His quite astonishing response? “That’s probably the sort of thing that’s best for me not to comment on, one way or the other, quite frankly.”


The only thing I find astonishing about it is that someone in Durham has the good sense to listen to their lawyer and not dig themselves in deeper. Compare to Nifong, Bell, Baker, Chalmers, Brodhead....

Ralph Phelan said...

Camille Paglia:
" ...all faculty members should vow, through their own scholarly idealism rather than by external coercion, not to impose their political or sexual ideology on impressionable students, who deserve better.”

Scholarly idealism. Hah. Those few like her or KC who possess any don't wind up at as liberal arts professors an "elite" institution.

As an outsider to academia, I say bring on the coercion!

rrhamilton said...

The Sykes Report??? I hope everyone reads it. The authors of the Bowens-Chambers report certainly hope everyone will read the Sykes Report. Next to Sykes, Bowen-Chambers* looks superbly researched and balanced.

*Among other gems, Bowens-Chambers condemns the Duke police force for passing on information that CGM's story was not credible while calling Pres. Brodhead's "strong, consistent, and effective leadership".

Ralph Phelan said...

Debrah said...

"Yesterday's N&O was filled with letters--well, about 4 or 5--which were mostly against the lacrosse players."

I wonderr how much each of those will be sorth to plaintiffs come penalty phase?

Debrah said...

TO RRH @ 9:02 PM--

Very sadly, the Bowen-Chambers report makes Julius Chambers look like a blooming idiot.

And also, an extreme anti-white male racist.

For me, this is all very unfortunate.

He, like so many black activists have found it impossible to evolve with the times.

People like Chambers have been given so much largesse throughout their lives that if they can't plead some kind of "injury because of racism", they have no identity.

Chambers has constantly been overblown into something he is not.

Right before his prostate surgery, I had a long phone conversation with him. I had decided to do a column on him...relating it to the (at the time) Clinton years.

He was a total disappointment, intellectually.

So childish.

Harkening back to his segregationist childhood in such a way that was not what I had bargained for. So self-serving and infantile.

Some of these people we have been indoctrinated into revering are simply....simpletons....who were in the right place at the right time way back when.

And way back then, if you were a black activist, you were automatically elevated to deity status.

So much of society was so ignorant back then.

Now we see how dedicated people like Julius Chambers are to justice.

I understand why so many of these race-dependent people are angry now. They have been outed by the way they treated the lacrosse players...and no one is going to forget their real motives.

It's a good day for reality.

Debrah said...

It's time to shake it up.

It's too quiet and heavy.

Let's get some action.

mac said...

I've noticed a higher degree of civility these days in some quarters: in recent years, if you held open a door for someone of another race, they often would march on through, as if you owed it to them. I noticed this trend in both races, and it was painful to watch.

Now, it seems, that there are people of goodwill who seem to appreciate nice gestures. Many folks see the precipice, and they're trying hard not to go there.

Not so the NAACP, Jesse Jackson and the Duke University AAS; not so, the extreme right - such as the socialists from Roanoke.

There are still too many - way too many - black folks who believe Nifong's evil tale. And there are way too many who believe that Mike Vick is being persecuted. They haven't rushed to aid another man, Ty Hilmo, who allegedly fed cats and kittens to his dog. They haven't rushed to help him, to defend him. If he's guilty, I hope he gets what Senator Byrd suggested from the Senate Floor for people engaged in dogfighting. I hope he and Vick share similar fates, if he's found guilty.

The Duke lacrosse hoax has shown how bad things have gotten. This, and other cases. I still have a fair degree of hope, that there still is a better hope, and that perhaps the hope will begin with simple acts of kindness, like holding a door open and being civil, learning to smile and to actually mean it.

This lesson will certainly be lost on those trolls who post here, bent upon mayhem, calling names and inciting racial hatred.

We won't get there on the path the academic world is providing, for sure: there are way too many 88-ers, and too few KC Johnsons and Steven Horwitzs.

The way of Rodhead is the way of turmoil.

Debrah said...

TO Ralph--

I don't know how much any of it will be worth.

The recent N&O editorial and these subsequent letters...along with the Barry Saunders diatribe and the N&O's "public editor" Ted Vaden acting as flea-bitten apologist for Saunders.....

....are all the News & Observer's way of telling the public where they expect things to go.

They are telling the black community who essentially supported the railroading of three innocent men....

"We are back inside your pocket. We certainly do not support innocent people being sent to prison; however, we are with you. These rich white boys have had enough kid-glove treatment. They are safe now and remember one thing----(They're not saints! They hired strippers! And......they're--gasp!--white!!!!! We are finished padding their affluent azzes. You can count on us to be gettin' busy on the downlow widcha. The N&O izza comin' home!"

I'm glad KC will not be around to see how they turn the Pulitzer-esque reporting of Joe Neff into another nosedive into the squalor and insanity of Durham activists.

j.nc said...

Saw this and thought about the acceptance of academics of the likes of G88 and other "studies" writers:

"Americans have a long history of confusing inscrutability with genius."
-Elizabeth Spiers , founding editor, Gawker

Anonymous said...

re Crystal Mangum, Debrah

Are you certain she's a ward of the state? Why do you assume she's on public assistance.

Very Curious

Anonymous said...

Very curious that Debrah has not responded to Very Curious.

Very Curious by a knockout.

Debrah said...

TO 4:34 AM and the appendage @ 9:52 AM--

I don't recall reading that anyone called Mangum "a ward of the state".

I know that I did not.

That is far too delicate a term.

To echo Butch Williams--Crystal Mangum is a whore.

It would also be a knockout assumption that she is getting public assistance--some type of welfare. Taxpayers are most certainly paying to feed her children and will, no doubt, be doing so forever.

Those who live in the Triangle know that the majority of Durham residents feed at the public trough in some way or another...even if they do sport an office and some bureaucratic title.

Very, very few productive people there.

Paper-shuffling and stealing.

Good things are happening in Durham!.

Anonymous said...

Debrah - Get a day job or start your own blog.

Debrah said...

TO 3:52 PM--

Thanks for the suggestion, but I already have enough "jobs".

Worry about yourself.