Tuesday, September 04, 2007

Welcome

For those discovering the blog through the publication of Until Proven Innocent or through Good Morning America: Welcome. I first turned my attention to the Duke case after an April 2006 ad signed by 88 members of the Duke arts and sciences faculty. The ad stated unequivocally that something “happened” to Crystal Mangum; and said “thank you” to protesters who, among other things, had carried “CASTRATE” banners and blanketed the campus with “wanted” posters of the lacrosse team. The professors’ decision to sign the ad betrayed the ideals of their—and my—profession.

Since last April, the blog has had more than 1000 posts, focused on the twin themes of Mike Nifong’s massive prosecutorial misconduct and the “academic McCarthyism” evident in the reaction to the case by Duke faculty “activists.” But the blog also has analyzed the media coverage of the case, political events, and the role of the Durham police.

In the weeks since the book has gone to press, the blog has featured comprehensive coverage (from Durham) of Nifong’s ethics and criminal contempt trials, as well as profiles of the scholarship and teaching of some Group of 88 members.

Advance praise for Until Proven Innocent includes the following, from a diverse array of people and organizations:

John Grisham: “Brutally honest, unflinching, exhaustively researched, and compulsively readable, Until Proven Innocent excoriates those who led the stampede—the prosecutor, the cops, the media—but it also exposes the cowardice of Duke’s administration and faculty. Until Proven Innocent smothers any lingering doubts that in this country the presumption of innocence is dead, dead, dead.”

ACLU president Nadine Strossen: “This compelling narrative dramatizes the fearsome power of unscrupulous police and prosecutors to wreck the lives of innocent people, especially when the media and many in the community rush to presume guilt. The inspiring story of how the defense lawyers turned the tables on a dishonest DA points to the crying need for reforms to give defendants of modest means a fighting chance when law enforcement goes bad.”

Political columnist George Will: “In what surely is this year’s most revealing, scalding and disturbing book on America’s civic culture, the authors demonstrate that the Duke case was symptomatic of the dangerous decay of important institutions—legal, academic, and journalistic. . . . With this meticulous report, the guilty have at last been indicted and convicted.”

Newsweek editor Evan Thomas: “In their vivid, at times chilling account, the authors are contemptuous of prosecutor Mike Nifong, whom the North Carolina legal establishment disbarred for his by now well-documented misconduct . . . but their most biting scorn is aimed at the ‘academic McCarthyism’ that they say has infected top-rated American universities like Duke."

Former US Attorney General William P. Barr: “A gripping, meticulous, blow-by-blow account of the whole grotesque affair. It is beautifully written, dramatic, and full of insights, exposing how vulnerable the prosecutorial system is to abuse and how ready the liberal media and PC academics are to serve as leaders of the lynch mob. A must read for anyone who cares about individual rights and justice.”

NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw: “This is a tale of grace and disgrace, researched in detail and clearly written. All of us face adversity in our lives, but thankfully very few face the adversity of national press coverage, being abandoned by those who should have defended us, and the possibility of a 30 year prison term for something which was a transparent lie. The Duke lacrosse hoax is fundamentally a tale of incredible courage and integrity on the part of the falsely indicted players, their families, their defense team, a few of their faculty (particularly Professor James Coleman), and the entire Duke lacrosse team, including their current and former coach. Theirs is a tale of incredible grace under searing pressure. People in positions of power and authority-such as prosecutors, police, and university leaders—carry the responsibility to find and defend the truth. Unfortunately, their tale is one of disgrace—and they are the authors of that disgrace. Stuart Taylor and KC Johnson have written a great book which chronicles a tale as old as humanity—the difficult but always worthwhile triumph of honesty and integrity over those who abuse power.”

ABC News legal correspondent Jan Crawford Greenberg: “A chilling, gripping account of how our judicial system can go terribly wrong. This is an important book that brings the Duke story to life and exposes troubling facts about our justice system and our citadels of higher learning. You may think you know the Duke story—but you don’t until you read this book.”

Time columnist Michael Kinsley: “The analysis of the notorious Duke rape case in this book is hard to accept. According to Stuart Taylor and KC Johnson, this episode was not just a terrible injustice to three young men. It exposed a fever of political correctness that is more virulent than ever on American campuses and throughout society. . . Unfortunately for doubts, the authors lay out the facts with scrupulous care. This is a thorough and absorbing history of a shameful episode.”

TalkLeft publisher Jeralyn Merritt: “Anyone interested in this travesty of a prosecution simply must read this book.”

GQ: KC Johnson embedded with the Duke lacrosse team amid the scandal that nearly tore apart the school. The result, UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT (cowritten with Stuart Taylor Jr.) is the definitive account of the team’s head-on collision with political correctness and judicial posturing—and a disturbing, often embarrassing look at how the university sold out its own.”

Kirkus Reviews: “Hot-off-the-press reprobation of the badly flawed indictment process in this notorious incident . . . In this era of in-your-face Michael Moore–style media screeds, we all might be excused for being unresponsive to the promise of yet another exposé of yet another outrage. However, unlike our experience with Moore, who specializes in breathtaking generalities and over-spun characterizations, we are here flogged with innumerable details, each well reported and each implacably pointing to the same conclusion: The players were railroaded . . . The authors single out in particular the utter collapse of due process for accused students at a highly respected school. A cautionary tale for all readers.”

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Anonymous said...
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Debrah said...

TO 8:50PM--

You excite me with your microscopic observations.

Tailor-made for a narcissist. LIS

But settle in and calm down.

Don't go CRAZY.

No one is intercepting your feverish effulgences.

:>)

Debrah said...

TO 8:55PM--

:>)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"Shut up and teach!"

I assume this is in reference to the calls for the Dixie Chicks to "Shut Up and Sing" after they opposed the Iraq war.
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Oh dear. You must be new here.

Anonymous said...

8:57 You assume incorrectly. It refers to the frauds w/i the Klan of 88 who had an on campus, "Shut up and teach" meeting.

The meeting was another Duke side-show - weird because the facts of the case were known, yet they rambled, wrapped strings around the seating, and spoke long incoherent sentences that held no meaning.

Ironically they would not allow any to tape or video their meeting. How's that for tolerant, free speech?

At the end of the day it was a great deal becuase it didn't cost one $46,000.00 to attend.

It was however, I think, a play on "Shut up and Sing". In many ways it was similar. Much like the Dixie Chicks lack of foriegn policy expertise, the Klan of 88 lack serious academic credentials.

At least the Dixie Chicks communicate in a fashion that may be understood.

I once saw Dixie Chicks, pre-Natalie Maynes(?), at the Longhorn Ballroom in Dallas. They were on the same card with Asleep at the Wheel paying tribute to Bob Wills and The Texas Playboys. It was absolutely awesome.

The most striking part of the show for me was walking through the crowd next to the Dixie Chicks and seeing how absolutely beautiful the girls were. Imagine my delight when I heard them make beautiful music.

By the way we didn't wear our top hat and tails to the Longhorn Ballroom. So sometimes I'm certain I show less class than I try.

Thanks.

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Stuart McGeady said...

All the personal stuff about Debrah is off topic. The offending posts should be removed, if not by the ANONYMOUS poster(s), then by KC or the acting blog administrator. Some criticism is OK in a blog, but at least retain some sense of humor!

Debrah said...

TO 9:17PM--

Such a vivid and active imagination for an obvious leftover Deliverance reject.

With such seething animosity, at least learn how to spell my name....so as not to appear illiterate and crazy.

You're not Bob Ashley, by chance?

LOL!!!
GOL!!!

Steven Horwitz said...

Let me second the recommendation of Anon at 847 to support FIRE - the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. They do outstanding work and have backed faculty and students of ALL political views who have been victims of restrictions on free speech that are either unconstitutional or violations of private schools' stated principles.

The rest of Anon 847's recommendations are excellent as well.

And for my fan club, I suppose folks think I have four hands so that I could write the post at 917 at the same time I was writing this one, eh?

mac said...
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mac said...

The impersonator shows up, usually praising himself, and he nearly always mispells something. It's a technique.

kcjohnson9 said...

My apologies for the (re-)appearance of the troll; I have cleaned up the thread and reinstituted comment moderation.

Debrah said...

"mac"--

You are very perceptive.

As is Spook.

Both of you seem to have a radar regarding the situation.

mac said...
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Anonymous said...

"Again, I would like to know if any book signing events are scheduled for NYC."

How about Philadelphia?

kcjohnson9 said...

As of now, no book signings are scheduled.

As I've learned, these are usually handled by the publicity person at the press; not by the authors.

Also, people having trouble getting the book through Barnes and Noble might try Borders, which seems to have stocked more copies.

Anonymous said...

To anyone with info: Any more information re. Prof. Johnson's scheduled appearance at Duke's Page Auditorium and if it will be streamed live on line?

kcjohnson9 said...

It's at 7pm on the 11th.

I know it will be videotaped, but not sure about any webcast.

Gary Packwood said...

Steven Horwitz 3:48 said...
...Since I'm in the mood to self-promote today, and since so many here are interested in higher ed issues, folks might wish to see two pieces I've recently published on the web:
One (at the Pope Center on Higher Ed Policy) is on teaching writing to first-year students and the other (at Education Week) is just out today on how high schools can better prepare kids for college-level writing. The latter requires a fairly quick free registration. I can copy the text here if the registration process is too painful.
::
The Education Week piece that you wrote is just excellent and I am recommending the article for family members to read before their next parent/teacher conference.

Rather than wait for the schools to do something I recommend that parents do something and then work with the schools.

And yes, I do realize that I am talking about parents who are alert; can actually understand your article and care to work with their children on writing skills.

Good article.
::
GP

Anonymous said...

Steven Horwitz, thanks for amplifying my endorsement of FIRE, the Foundation for Indidivual Rights in Education.

Does anyone have any other (legal) ideas for fighting the totalitarian elements of academia?

SAVANT

Debrah said...

TO 10:09PM--

I called the people at Duke who handle Page Auditorium and they reiterated the 9/11--(Oh, man...I just realized what that date represents)--engagement is open to everyone. No problems since it's a large space.

Also, it is no longer possible to park in the accessible drive-around street in front of Duke Chapel.

That was always the best place to park in the past.

You have to get there by going to Science Drive and parking in that lot.....then walk to Page from there.

Gary Packwood said...

Until Proven Innocent

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #64 in Books
::
GP

Steven Horwitz said...

GP wrote:

The Education Week piece that you wrote is just excellent and I am recommending the article for family members to read before their next parent/teacher conference.

Thanks. And that's an excellent idea. My son will be a HS jr this year and I've paid VERY close attention to the writing work he's been asked to do the last couple of years and I've been pretty happy with what our local (and very parentally-involved) small-town public school has them doing.

Parents and students asking teachers (including college faculty during admissions interviews) about how they teach writing/speaking/research skills/critical thinking etc is never a bad idea.

Anonymous said...

(Oh, man...I just realized what that date represents)-

Yes, not the optimal choice, unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

I am becoming fascinated with the concept of interactive historical introspection, reflection, observation and creation. Moreover, the concept of a feedback loop between the internet blogs and related commentary and the events as they unfold is truly mind-boggling. In the past, it seems to me (very much as a layman), events occured with consequences later reported, but the consequences of events were not directly affected by observations of the immediate events.

Now it appears that a microscopic view can be focused on events as they unfold, with commentary from a diverse and interested community -- a community of stakeholders, if you will -- and with that commentary and the original observation affecting the behavior of those under the microscope. Then the resulting behavior starts new observations.

Such is the delicious aspect of the internet and it progeny, the blog. Accountability has entered a new realm.

Someone needs to focus this newfound weapon of freedom and liberty -- the brightest of sunshine in the spirit of Justice Brandeis -- on Congress...on the Executive... and even the Judiciary.

A cleansing of American democracy may yield a future for America's children equal to its past. The disinfectant is well overdue.

Michael said...

Is the Harvard event open to the public?

Anonymous said...

What an impossibly wonderful thing Professor K.C. Johnson has done! I am most impressed with his ability to consistently scoop all the major national and local mainstream media outlets on so MANY important stories. It was a pleasure to read this blog every day, as well as the ones at Liestoppers, J-in-C, TalkLeft and Johnsville.

K.C. was also able to enthrall some very interesting folks, his great band of fun commentators, including the Diva, mac, Inman, Ralph Phelan, GP, RRH, Bill Anderson, One Spook, Steven Horwitz, Carolyn Said and, of course, AMAC, among many others. I am delighted to have had the opportunity to read all of your thoughts. Now, I'm going to curl up with a good book. But before I go, one last bit of fun:

[SCENE: UNMARKED UNIT DRIVING TO BUCHANAN STREET]

[MARCH 16, 2006]


GOTTLIEB: "You see, in Chapel Hill, they don't refer to them as 'doughnuts,' they call them 'donuts.'"

HIMAN: [furrows brow] "Correct me if I'm wrong, but you just said the same word twice, didn't you?"

GOTTLIEB: "No, in Durham, they call them 'doughnuts." In Chapel Hill, they call them 'donuts.' ... oh wait, I see the problem, they both sound the same, but in Durham, you see, they're spelled 'd-o-u-g-h-n-u-t-s,' and in Chapel Hill they spell them 'd-o-n-u-t-s.'"

HIMAN: "You sure know a lot of stuff. I think this partnership is gonna work out real fine, yes sireee, really, really fine."

[FADE TO STUPID]

Press the button and the cow says: "MOO! Gregory"

Stuart McGeady said...

With regard to today's sub-thread on the topic of college rankings, many thanks to RP, SH and the Anon poster(s) for their relevant and thoughtful comments.

I agree with Professor Horwitz and RP that the best measurement of college quality should 'output' factors over the long term, both qualitative and quantitative, say alumni happiness, prestige, power and wealth, especially compared to the unique starting point of each freshman matriculant.

I also would argue that by far the most important factor in achieving a quality education is the effort and discipline applied by the student, whether that be the privileged scion of New England establishment at KC Johnson's former post Williams College, or the blue collared descendant of Appalachia, first in family to attend Bill Anderson's Frostburg State University.

As an alumni admissions interviewer for Duke, I second Miramar's 12:52 comments and offer this point of clarification: Duke's and other college admissions offices sharpen their competitive focus on the schools that attract a statistically significant cross section or shared set of the desired pool of applicants. This plays out differently depending how the desired pool of promising high school seniors is defined.

Since Duke is charged with serving the Carolinas, it competes furiously with Davidson and UNC-Chapel Hill for the top students in North Carolina without much concern for Northwestern or Penn.

In Atlanta, Duke goes toe-to-toe with Emory and Georgia Tech for the most promising pre-med and engineering candidates from Georgia, without much concern for Hopkins or MIT.

But in the national arena where Duke offers admission to presumed superior applicants who also are admitted in statistically significant numbers to other "elite" national institutions, Duke is on par with or bests all but five universities, which is to say that highly recruited young scholars choose Duke in no less than half of the admissions showdowns.

Except for five, as Miramar posted above: Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT and Stanford.

Of course, this probably drives Chris Guttentag in the Duke Admissions Office absolutely bonkers. For one of the most popular and selective research universities in the land, Duke's matriculation rate is only in the mid-40% range. I believe the Big Three and Stanford get 60-70%, many students coveted by but lost to Duke.

One will surely argue that their are many unique and praiseworthy institutions of higher learning, to hell with the various rankings and methodologies. What about the Webb Institute? Cooper Union? Grove City College? St. John's College in Annapolis and Albuqurque? Brooklyn College? Simply put, Duke is not competing for a sigmificant number of the same students with those fine schools.

Bottom line to bring this thread back on point: Johnson's and Taylor's new book will help Duke University continue to be a top school only if the Duke community reads it, examines its heart and soul, finally apologizes to those it injured and redoubles its commitment to traditional virtues of the academy: truth, justice and open, civil debate on the issues and ideas of our time.

kcjohnson9 said...

To the 10.56:

Yes, the Harvard event is open to the public.

To the 10.34:

Indeed--but, unfortunately, my pre-Israel schedule was very tight, and the 11th was the only day I could speak.

Gary Packwood said...

SACANT 10:17 said...
...Steven Horwitz, thanks for amplifying my endorsement of FIRE, the Foundation for Indidivual Rights in Education.
...Does anyone have any other (legal) ideas for fighting the totalitarian elements of academia?
::
Sure. First don't fight them. Manage the process that brought them to the academy.

Who is signing up for the courses offered; why are they signing up; what are the expectations of the students and who is reading what these faculty members write?

I would pay particular attention to the expectations of the students including those students who are looking for and receiving an easy A.

You could always form a group to write a narrative or two :-)
::
GP




9/4/07 10:17 PM

Anonymous said...

Gregory ...

..I am in stitches ...

@ 11:21

[FADE TO STUPID]

my side hurt, I laughed so loud

Debrah said...

To Gregory @ 11:21PM--

Hilarious.

And so real.

You must have been sitting in the back seat.

:>)

Gary Packwood said...

inman 10:50 said...
...I am becoming fascinated with the concept of interactive historical introspection, reflection, observation and creation. Moreover, the concept of a feedback loop between the internet blogs and related commentary and the events as they unfold is truly mind-boggling.
::
Check out the study of social capital (community connectiveness) also.

MIT (Open Course) 17.905 Forms of Political Participation: Old and New
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Political-Science/17-905Spring-2005/CourseHome/index.htm
(Duke) Enhancing Political Participation in Democracies http://cps.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/35/4/437?ck=nck
I wish we were more of a identifiable community here at DIW.
::
GP

Anonymous said...

Gregory:
I always enjoy the sign offs on your posts. Will you be assembling a Top 10 list of your personal favorites?

I have no creative writing skills, so I had to "borrow" from www.chucknorrisfacts.com for the following:

Archeologists unearthed an old english dictionary dating back to the year 1236. It defined "victim" as "a Group of 88 member who tried to match wits with KC Johnson".

Anonymous said...

Hurricane Felix landed with winds of over 160 miles per hour. KC Johnson was distraught, for he had wanted the hurricane to hit Nifong in the nose. It was then that KC realized that Mother Nature thought that Honduras was, in fact, Nifong. Realizing her mistake, Mother Nature could not believe that the real Nifong was so, so, so small. (The Weather Channel, 9/5/07) MOO! inman Channelling a truly gifted Gregory

MikeZPurdue said...

My heartfelt thanks to Prof Johnson for his tireless
and ceaselesss dedication to the cause of justice
down there in Durham. I think I would have gone
nuts without this blog. What was going on down
there in Durham -- with Nifong "mooning the
judicial system" as Prof Coleman so aptly put it --
was driving me crazy UNTIL I came upon the writings
and reportings of Prof KC Johnson in this blog.

Thank you so much! I was so happy when Reade
specifically thanked you during the speech he gave
on the day AG Cooper declared him and the other two
boys innocent! Thank you for being an enabler for the truth to prevail!

Stuart McGeady said...

To KC Johnson @ 11:37...

There will likely be one or more events or displays on campus to memorialize the events of 9/11. Therefore, as you begin your remarks at Page, a very brief remembrance of those who died in the attacks, perhaps naming the 6 Duke alumni who were killed that day, would be appropriate. No politics, no patriotism, no Star Spangled Banner (we do that at Fort McHenry), simply respect, in memoriam, requiem in pacem.

One Spook said...

Steven Horwitz writes @ 9:28 PM writes:

Let me second the recommendation of Anon at 847 to support FIRE - the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. They do outstanding work and have backed faculty and students of ALL political views who have been victims of restrictions on free speech that are either unconstitutional or violations of private schools' stated principles.

Damn, Steven ... maybe you and I should go have a beer ...

One Spook

One Spook said...

Gregory @ 11:21 writes:

HIMAN: "You sure know a lot of stuff. I think this partnership is gonna work out real fine, yes sireee, really, really fine."

[FADE TO STUPID]

Press the button and the cow says: "MOO! Gregory"


All right ... now I have to buy a new keyboard tomorrow! Hahahahaha!

Mac & Debrah ... thank you for the compiment(s).

One Spook

Anonymous said...

KC

Maybe when you get back you can teach some courses in the school of journalism, SCOOP 101

-RD

Anonymous said...

10:17 Inre: SAVANT "...Does anyone have any other (legal) ideas for fighting the totalitarian elements of academia?"

The one law that is most noticably absent in totalitarian states is the right to bear arms.

A nice way to ease into that would be a right to carry law, except then one must register the weapon(s).

Anonymous said...

Steven Horwitz, thank you for the links to your articles.

One point I didn't see is the movement toward writing essays (SAT and admissions, common application or otherwise)to evaluate prospective students. That appears to be the primary way to differentiate ones application.

I would be curious to hear from the admissions officers reading to attest or debunk the importance of the essays. We were told, from Duke and others, that the SAT essay would not be evaluated since there was no base line established. That was the first year (2006) the essay was an SAT element and the omission of consideration worked against my son who is a terrific writer.

Are the writing courses St. Lawrence offers remedial in nature?

Do you think primary/secondary educators focus of race/gender/class issues may be partially culpable for high school students being unprepared? This quite simply is a time managment issue.

Aren't teachers being forced by mandates to teach material that isn't important relative to math/science and writing? Or maybe not interesting? For example, having boys write essays about famous female Supreme Court judges vs. Astronauts, boxers, etc...

Check out the ACT science results on the link you provided. Most telling...check out the AA results...3% prepared!

AAAs and Womens Studies are helping solve these problems in what way?

Do you think top-heavy (administration/faculty) ratios are culpable? This, to me, is a major allocation of resource problem. Schools are forced to spend money on b.s. federally mandated programs.

I would anticipate the separation to be even more profound if the study consider urban vs suburban/rural and private vs public.

Thanks again. I do agree that writing is critical. Fortunately my children are learning to write well. Clearly I am not their lodestar.

M. Simon said...

I am honored to have been allowed to be a guest here since near the beginning.

Much thanks to you and ST for writing the book.

Let us hope it becomes a classroom classic in colleges and universities all over America.

Down With Angry Studies.

M. Simon said...

7:17 doesn't get it. The war has moved on. This little skirmish is over and the good guys appear to have the advantage.

The wider war beckons. I march to the sound of the guns.

Moving on indeed.

Steven Horwitz said...

NJNP at 603 asks:

Are the writing courses St. Lawrence offers remedial in nature?

Absolutely not. We have no remedial courses at all. The FYP courses are focused on helping students understand what's expected of them in college and equipping them with the skills to meet those demands. It assumes that HS graduates are ready to move on, not back up and "remedy" what they missed.

Do you think primary/secondary educators focus of race/gender/class issues may be partially culpable for high school students being unprepared? This quite simply is a time managment issue.

It certainly could be. But I can also imagine a world in which HS teachers are including more of those issues in the curriculum and still asking students to engage in the writing/research/crit. thinking skills that I'm talking about. My example in the EW piece about asking students to write on inequality issues would fit here. But for it to work, the teachers themselves have to be able to assess fairly all sides of an argument. How likely you think that is, I will leave to the reader. :)

Aren't teachers being forced by mandates to teach material that isn't important relative to math/science and writing? Or maybe not interesting? For example, having boys write essays about famous female Supreme Court judges vs. Astronauts, boxers, etc...

Same as above. That material CAN be a complement not a substitute for teaching crit. thinking and comm skills if it's done right. There's no a priori reason why asking a male 10th grader to do a research project on, say, famous female senators, couldn't be a forum for helping him understand how to do research, how to write, and how to tackle the fact that Carol Moseley Braun and Kay Bailey Hutchinson were both female senators but believe very very different things about the world.

My son's 10th grade English class included a research-based debate section where they had to both verbally engage with students on the other side of an issue and write up what they found. I thought it was pretty effective and I thought the topics were reasonable ones. (He was on the "pro" side of "Would opening a new Wal-Mart in the area be a good thing?" Apple doesn't fall far from the tree and all that.)

The devil is in the details.

Debrah said...

To Stu Daddy @ 12:31AM--

That is a great idea and will add the right touch for KC to begin.

IMO, the date 9/11 might just be the perfect day for KC to show up at Duke and give a lecture on the case.

The Lacrosse Hoax is also an example of the evil and the harm done by those who operate with a delusional mindset.

The Gang of 88 will, no doubt, take note that KC is on the premises.

:>)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 9/4/07 8:57 PM said...
"Could you show less class if you tried?"

Easily. Oh, so easily. But out of respect for KC's space I will refrain.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Steven Horwitz.

Does St. Lawrence assess the essay portion of the SAT for admission?

Steven Horwitz said...

We're an SAT optional school now, so for those who submit it, we probably look at it, but I don't believe we pay too much attention to it.

The task the SAT essay asks students to complete is so artificial and so at odds with good writing instruction and the skills that college writing requires that doing well on it is, from what I know of the exam, unlikely to be a good predictor of college level writing ability.

If I were in admissions, I'd much rather have students submit what they think the best piece of writing they did in HS was, along with the assignment that produced it. That would tell me much more about their ability and the kinds of challenges their HS put in front of them.

Anonymous said...

Stu Daddy said...
"To KC Johnson @ 11:37...

...as you begin your remarks at Page, a very brief remembrance of those who died in the attacks, perhaps naming the 6 Duke alumni who were killed that day, would be appropriate. No politics, no patriotism, no Star Spangled Banner...."

Definitely, no exhibiting patriotism on college campus. That would show a total lack of class. [ / sarcasm ]

Stuart McGeady said...

Yeah, I know what you mean, Ralph. Ain't it a shame that opening a public event or marking a national holiday like 9/11 with a prayer or song could be considered controversial?

Maybe KC's sponsors, the Program on Values and Ethics in the Marketplace and the newly created Duke Students for an Ethical Duke will surprise us with a touch of Pomp and Circumstance.

Anonymous said...

Ralph Phelan said...
Stu Daddy said...
"To KC Johnson @ 11:37...

...as you begin your remarks at Page, a very brief remembrance of those who died in the attacks, perhaps naming the 6 Duke alumni who were killed that day, would be appropriate. No politics, no patriotism, no Star Spangled Banner...."

Definitely, no exhibiting patriotism on college campus. That would show a total lack of class. [ / sarcasm ]

9/5/07 11:01 AM


As a "anonymous" professor told us earlier, old style patriotism is for the chandala.

Anonymous said...

btw, Prof. Horwitz, as one with a degree in journalism and one who's been told he is a pretty fine wordsmith when pressed, it sounds to me that colleges today are overemphasizing "writing" in their evaluations.

In my experience, people are either naturally gifted writers or they are not. If they are not, then at best they can be made into competent writers.

Use the SAT and high school performance to decide who to admit and then you won't have to read all those papers that tell you very little -- other than that someone is either a gifted writer or clever plagiarizer.

RRH

Anonymous said...

"it sounds to me that colleges today are overemphasizing "writing" in their evaluations.

In my experience, people are either naturally gifted writers or they are not. If they are not, then at best they can be made into competent writers. "

"Gifted" writing isn't needed for most endeavors in life. When you're producing scientific papers, legal briefs, corporate memos, etc. being "competent" is generally both necessary and sufficient. Too many college graduates aren't even competent.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Ralph, that was my point: In college admissions, it's better to admit those with the most raw intellectual talent than the more polished writers. If by the time he's finished high school, the student can't tell you which Roosevelt became President first, then there's no amount of good writing that should admit him.

RRH

Penny said...

My daughter is a graduate of St. John's College("the Great Books school") which I think is one of the best liberal arts colleges in America. SAT's are not required, admission essays are. Few electives and no distracting victim studies garbage. They have a curriculum that hasn't changes in 50 years. It's the best money we ever spent as parents. 90% of their graduates go on to post-graduate school. It's not for every kid.

You won't find St. John's ranked in the typical MSM's magazine college ranking editions as they don't submit the formulaic information.

I'm only putting this out there for any parent that is seeking an alternative to the rot that has infested so many once good schools.
Their four year curriculum is posted on their site.

Stuart McGeady said...

As an Annapolitan, I look forward each spring to the St. John's Johnnies beating the Midshipmen of the U.S. Naval Academy (No anger studies department there either!)
in croquet. Who needs Division I NCAA athletic programs? ;-)

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