Friday, July 27, 2007

More Academic Embarrassment

Jennifer Ho is a professor of English at the University of North Carolina. She has published a book—Consumption and Identity in Asian American Coming-of-Age Novels, which “examines the intersection of coming-of-age, ethnic identity formation, and foodways in late 20th Century Asian American bildungsromane and American popular culture.” She also has authored three articles/book chapters: “A Tale of Two Courses: Conflict and Community in the Asian American Classroom”; “Ambiguous Movements: Paisley Rekdal’s Passing Identity in The Night My Mother Met Bruce Lee: Observations on Not Fitting In”; and “When the Political is Personal: Life on the Multi-Ethnic Margins.”

The latter piece was a chapter in a book called Race in the College Classroom, which addresses what one reviewer termed three “core concerns: how the race of an instructor (or her decision to address race as a subject of study) affects her authority in the classroom, what effects the decision to address this ‘uncomfortable’ topic has on one’s teaching evaluations and future prospects in the academy, and what models are available for faculty wishing to pursue an ‘antiracist pedagogy’ in the classroom.”

Ho writes that her “next research project will focus on gossip and the ways in which various communities of women in the U.S. have used gossip as productive modes of communication, affiliation, and empowerment.”

From this background, Ho offered her perspective on the lacrosse case. Commentary is interspersed.
Today I heard that Mike Nifong, the disgraced D.A. who mishandled the Duke Lacrosse rape case, apologized to the three men he originally accused and said that there was not substantial evidence to link them in the rape case. And as various magazine and newspaper articles, and even a book written by the former Duke Lacrosse coach all emphasize, these young men were all victims of ‘racial profiling’ and are, instead, innocent of the charges brought against them.
With all due respect to journalists and even to Mike Pressler, it seems to me far more significant that, after a comprehensive investigation, the Attorney General of North Carolina termed these young men “innocent of the charges against them.”
And in the wake of this media storm, I’m not sure what to think with respect to the woman who brought these accusations against the men. I certainly feel sympathy for her, because regardless of whether she made up her story or she was, indeed, sexually assaulted, she more than likely did not bargain for the reception she received at the house party in which the lacrosse players were present and she more than likely did not think when she was a little girl that she wanted to earn extra money to support herself through college by taking off her clothes for drunken college boys.
The portrayal of Crystal Mangum as a naïf is a touching one, if almost entirely contradicted by the evidence. The Yaeger/Pressler book quoted Durham attorney Butch Williams (an African-American), who mocked portrayals such as Ho’s for making Mangum look like “Sweet Polly Purebred, who met some hooligans that took advantage of her.” Williams was blunt: “C’mon, kids. She wasn’t this little poor North Carolina Central student working the fields. She was a whore.” H.P. (“Fats”) Thomas, the former security manager at Mangum’s strip club who, like Williams, is African-American, described Mangum as “more of a hooker than a stripper. She was stripping as advertising for hooking.” Given her emotional instability, he added, she was a ticking time bomb: “That could’ve been any one of us. These boys just ended up with the wrong stripper. Forget white or black for a minute. That could’ve been any one of us.” If that portrayal sounds familiar, it should: it corroborates Kim Roberts’ March 22, 2006 statement that Mangum wanted to return to the lacrosse house to make more money.

It’s unclear what Ho meant by asserting that Mangum was looking to “earn extra money” as a stripper, since sexual work appears to have been Mangum’s sole profession, not something she did on the side. Anyhow, I suspect that many people would consider it hard to “find sympathy” with someone who made up allegations that could have resulted in three innocent people going to jail for 30 years.
If she did lie, well, then that’s a topic for another post--because it is damaging for women to lie about rape—there are so many women who are raped every day, many by people they know . . . So if this woman did lie, well, she’s doing a lot of damage for a lot of people.
Don’t let an analysis of the facts get in the way of the desired topic to address.
But putting aside the veracity of her story—

Again, let’s put aside the facts and move on to analyze the case through a preferred ideological perspective, the preferred option of Rev. William Barber and the Group of 88.
—the larger problem I have with the exoneration of the Duke lacrosse team is over issues of race, class, and sex. There are the facts of the largely white team members and the two women, one African American, the other half-black, half-Asian.
Of course, the players requested white strippers. Should, then, the team have turned the strippers away when the players discovered the escort service sent non-whites?
There is [sic] the overheard racist remarks outside the house (“Thank your grandaddy for my cotton shirt”) and the racist comments that the women reported went on inside the house.
Actually, Kim Roberts never claimed that “racist comments” went on inside the house. And even Mike (“nothing happened”) Nifong has now conceded that nothing untoward occurred inside the house. Ho also appears not to have noticed that Roberts long ago conceded that she initiated the racially charged exchange outside the house, with a racial taunt of her own.
There is the privilege that comes with wealth and with attending an elite university like Duke and with playing for an elite sport like lacrosse.
Ho appears to have access to the bank accounts of the families of the 47 players on the 2005-2006 team. Ho also did not indicate what sports college students could play without exposing themselves to allegations of elitism.
And then there’s the fact that this group of young men, athletes, who ostensibly represent their school, didn’t think twice about hiring women to take off their clothes for them.
There’s also the fact that women’s groups at Duke “didn’t think twice about hiring men to take off their clothes for them”; and that thousands of college students engage in tasteless behavior during spring break.

What I’m trying to get at is that regardless of whether or not these men sexually assaulted this women—I don’t feel the Duke lacrosse team is fully exonerated. Yes, they may not have perpetrated rape, but are they totally innocent of the white privilege, the class privilege, the very male privilege that they wear as casually as they wear their uniforms?
At least Ho is candid: regardless of whether three of its members “perpetrated rape,” the 47 members of the lacrosse team cannot be “fully exonerated”—although, it appears, Devon Sherwood is more exonerated than his 46 teammates.
And Duke students who support these players, do they stop and think about the larger picture—that rather than seeing themselves as embattled victims of a corrupt legal system—as victims prosecuted by the media, perhaps they need to really think about what it means to have the privilege of attending Duke University or any four-year university—of having a college degree, something only 25% of the US population has. Shouldn’t Duke students, lacrosse players and non-lacrosse players alike, owe it to themselves to question the kinds of privilege they walk around with and the ways in which subtle promotion of white male superiority gets produced around not-so-innocuous parties involving dark skinned women taking off their clothes at the command of white men?
Again, Ho deserves marks for candor: as they saw their classmates being victimized by an unethical prosecutor who (as even he has now admitted) had no case, Duke students apparently should have stood aside, and allowed Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and Dave Evans to be sacrificed on the altar of privilege.

Ho confirms the depressing fact that the Group of 88’s mindset is hardly confined to Duke.

[Update, 1.28pm: I should note that the above link to Prof. Ho's site no longer works, since she has made her blog open only to invited readers--as, of course, is her right.]

73 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am getting to the point where the only reaction I have to these postodernist deconstructionist types is to shake my head, laugh, and feel real pity for them. If only they could live and let live, that would be the end of it.

Too bad for all of us they won't.

tod allison, detroit said...

"..taking off their clothes at the command of white men."

What a stupid way to put it. Precious didn't do anything at the command of any white men. This was a simple, arm's lenghth business transaction.

No wonder she imagines this "white privilige" she mentions so often. In anything, on campuses like Duke and elswhere, there is more privilige conferred upon those with "underrepresented minority" status.

Ho is a delusional, sanctimonious , racist.

haskell said...

Ho ??? No wonder she is touchy. The rappers co-opted her name.

Shouting Thomas said...

KC, as you have so often pointed out, the faculty at Duke are responsible hiring the next generation of faculty.

Ho's writing is boilerplate... absolutely predictable.

Do you think she would have been hired if she didn't recite this nonsense? Prattling on about the guilt of white men is the minimal requirement for employment in her field.

rod allison, detroit said...

—the larger problem I have with the exoneration of the Duke lacrosse team is over issues of race, class, and sex. There are the facts of the largely white team members and the two women, one African American, the other" half-black, half-Asian."

That is an absolutely stunning admission of being a racist. She didn't want them to be exonerated because of their race. Only a sheltered academic of the crazy G88 type could make such a flat out admission of being a racist, and not even realize it.

mac said...

At least she doesn't write about
transgender - transspecies
sexual liberation.

On the other hand, if the "ho" -
CGM - was a stripper-by-trade,
and not even a prostitute,
sympathy for her "treatment"
on the night in question is
silly, just posing the question:
What do stippers usually hear when they strip?

"Praise her, for she doth well,
wrestling 'gainst spiked heels
and with such spare adornment! What
marvels my eyes behold!"

Yup. That's what Grystal Gayle usually hears,
especially on Friday night when the Priests
from the local parish gather
after a meal of fish,
battered in fine meal,
gatherering themselves in the local pub
to turn up the pint of hearty ale!

Anonymous said...

Why does anyone read this crap? Ho is putting out the standard, politically correct touchy-feely nonsense that is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. I mean, is that what higher education gets us? They didn't rape her, but they were white college students--GUILTY!

Gary Packwood said...

...Ho confirms the depressing fact that the Group of 88’s mindset is hardly confined to Duke.
::
Well, that is probably true.

Perhaps all of them are natives of Oklahoma and Arkansas where the culture there allows everyone to be taught from infancy that the truth should never get in the way of a good story about Bass fishing.
::
GP

rod allison, detroit said...

" —the larger problem I have with the exoneration of the Duke lacrosse team.."

So they should not have been exonerated of a 30 year felony that they were totally innocent of because some deep thinker sees a "larger problem."

I never made 3 comments in a row, but this post was incredible. Ho repeats all the mindless cliches and slogans we've heard over the past year, and thinks she's engaging in some kind of deeper, esoteric examination of the matter.

scott said...

"What I’m trying to get at is that regardless of whether or not these men sexually assaulted this women—I don’t feel the Duke lacrosse team is fully exonerated. Yes, they may not have perpetrated rape, but are they totally innocent of the white privilege, the class privilege, the very male privilege that they wear as casually as they wear their uniforms?"

Damn, how I wish I'd been born a (what is the term Ho uses? Oh yeah) "dark skinned woman" so I would be innocent of the white, male (and hence upper class, right?) privilege that I walk around with everyday. Is there any entity in this world more loathsome than a white, male? Oh, to be unburdened of all that.

Just wondering -- Does Ho also have the responsibility to "really think about what it means to have the privilege of having a college degree?" Or is that just the responsibility of white men?

haskell said...

I heard somebody use the word "hypermasculinity" the other day and I don't think they were talking about white guys. And talk about putting down women??? Come on, sister, give me a break. I worked at the VA for a while and had to take "sensitivity" training because some jerks were crude to women. I myself was offended that I had to take training because I would not have touched any of those lovelies with a 10 foot pole. If anything, the lacrosse guys were grossed out at that party. It was like, OMFG, lemme out of here.

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Anonymous said...

I wasn't aware that anyone could be "guilty" (or at least "not innocent") of the way they were born. Did I miss something? Is this woman crazy?

Anonymous said...

I think KC makes a mistake (and opens himself from the ultra-liberal "academics" who will seize on any 10 out of thousands of words to slime someone) by spending more time focusing on quotes that malign Mangum instead of Ho's comments.

Ho has basically admitted that she is a racist, as someone else has already said. She thinks that whites should feel bad even when they are exonerated of rape charges, just for being white ("privileged"). She admits that she feels bad when whites are successful, or even if they just don't lose their freedom.

Instead, it sounds as if KC is endorsing the attacks on Mangum's character. Whether they're true or not, I think KC's main point is that the "Mangum as naif" meme is contrary to much of the evidence. But without a stronger disclaimer, it could sound (remember, we're dealing with people like Ho) like KC definitively knows that Mangum is an awful person.

Such character judgments detract from the main lessons of the case, in my opinion.

bill anderson said...

At least we understand how elite "scholars" think about "justice." All "justice" is to be race, class, and sex-based,with outcomes determined by those things. Nothing else will suffice.

At least we now can understand the mentality of the professorial class in this country when they supported Stalin and Mao when they were murdering millions of people. (I was in college when Mao ran China, and he was seen as a demigod by a number of members of the University of Tennessee faculty.)

christoph said...

Okay! Okay! Enough, gang of 88! We get now what a social disaster REALLY sounds like!
I'm a liberal white man living mainly in the black community, so I've always checked myself for racism and educated myself about the privileges I have that others around me don't...but this woman makes a mockery of whatever virtue there is in doing so. Reading K.C.'s transcription of her writing is like being led by the hand of Marley's Ghost to a distopic vision of Bad Liberalism Future. God forbid I would ever become like her.
She reminds me of something Don Imus said about a certain official: "He thinks he's the smartest person in the room. The thing is, he's wrong."

Anonymous said...

"If she did lie, well, then that’s a topic for another post--because it is damaging for women to lie about rape—there are so many women who are raped every day, many by people they know . . . So if this woman did lie, well, she’s doing a lot of damage for a lot of people."

No mention of harming men with false accusations...how unsurprising. There's good evidence here that she's both a declared racist and sexist.

Anonymous said...

Ms. Ho really knows where to focus her concern:

"I certainly feel sympathy for [Mangum], because...she more than likely did not think when she was a little girl that she wanted to earn extra money to support herself through college by taking off her clothes for drunken college boys."

Hopefully that's true. I'd also like to think that Mangum's sweet girlish fancies didn't include showing up at parties - before she set eyes on any of these loathesome privileged males - drenched in about every orifice with multiple male DNA strands, either.

Just the romantic in me.

christoph said...

9:07 -- Yes, Bill, in the 30's and '40s Doris Lessing and her co-idealists supported leftist murderous revolutionaries, for a while. Decades later, she reflected in amazed wonderment at the insane stupidity of having done so. "What came over us?" She told that story on herself as a cautionary tale.

Anonymous said...

Very frightening for a mom looking toward the future for her white son. What happened to "justice for all"?
DAA

Michael said...

Professor Ho should get married.

So that she can get her name changed.

Until then, perhaps she should avoid the general subject of prostitutes.

Can you imagine walking into her classroom on the first day and reading Professor Ho on the blackboard? And then looking at your classmates and giggling?

She has Phd and Masters degrees. Does she feel guilty over these privileges? Does she feel guilt over her asian privilege? She seems to be someone that is fairly productive (not saying anything about the quality of the output but there is considerable quantity).

Does she feel superiority from her asian privilege? Or does she, like most asians, feel like just another American? Or maybe she feels racially inferior. I doubt that given that she has a Phd.

“Those who made a rush to judgment based upon an unquestioning faith in what a prosecutor had told them were made to look foolish and many still do look foolish." - Lane Williamson, NC State Bar Disciplinary Hearing Chairperson

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I went over to her blog and she seems like a spoiled giggly little teenager with no clue on the effect that her words have on others. There she claims that the lacrosse players were victims of racism. She gives the impression that she's an airhead on her blog.

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Anonymous said...

Christoph wrote
"She reminds me of something Don Imus said..."

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Wasn't it something about a sappy-headed Ho ?

Michael said...

Professor Ho apparently took a look at DIW and LS and found some of the replies unpleasant.

Anonymous said...

KC you mention Attorney Butch WIlliams in this article. At yesterday's presser by Michael Vick's attorneys after his hearing, they said Butch Williams was part of Vick's defense team. Do you know is this is the same Butch Williams?

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Michael said...

Nice quote from the President of the ACLU on your book, KC. Do you have a list of these somewhere or do they randomly rotate when you refresh the main page?

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inman said...

Has anyone ever confirmed that CMG "... wanted to earn extra money to support herself through college..." Has anyone confirmed that she was enrolled as a student at NCCU. Or was this a cover story?

I'm guessing that she hadn't been in a class in many a semester.

Anonymous said...

does ho desire contact with the ever elusive phloating phallus?

Michael said...

From another Ho post:

Today I went to a new optometrist for my annual eye exam (and to get fitted for contact lenses--finally decided that it was time to try them out and I have to say that so far so good, although it's so strange to feel something in my eye--and my eyes tire out faster right now since I'm breaking the lenses in, so to speak). Anyway, my doctor is a young Chinese American who grew up in the Bay Area and he attended UC Berkeley for both his undergrad and his optometrist degree (I don't think it's an MD but

jordynn said...

Is he the doctor at Carrboro Family Vision or whatever.... on Weaver St.? Because I have him too. He is totally cute, also. And smells good. And he and I have the exact same contact prescription. But he's married.

Jennifer Ho said...
Anyway, I get to see my new semi-friend on Wed. (and yes, Jordynn, he IS the cute, good smelling guy at Carrboro Family Vision...it's funny, but it's one of the first things I noticed, that he smelled nice--not in a cologne kind of way, but just in a very clean way (and not antiseptic either). It made me wonder about his handlotion or soap, which I'm assuming his wife picks out, although it didn't have an aromatherapy scent--if I were to guess, it's a higher end brand like Kiehls or L'Occitaine for men).

Anyway, I wonder if it's too forward for me to ask him to be "friends" (no romance at all--he's married and I have a boyfriend)--because seriously, aside from the husband of a friend of mine, there are no Asian American men that I'm really friendly with in Chapel Hill, especially not a B.A.C.A.!

(surprised?)

Anonymous said...

TO 8:52PM--

Get off it. You sound like those bleeding heart Liberals who walk around Franklin Street....still hoping it's the Summer of Love....with a permanently sick smile on their faces.

Even when they are in a situation where a sick smile seems akwardly out of place......there it is......always cupping their waxpaper teeth--(think Elizabeth Edwards)--as they give advice to everyone.

KC is dead-on with this post. There is no room for a watered-down treatment of the instigator of this Hoax--Crystal Mangum.

She's no more insane than you are. She's just a typical Durham-bred-system-milking-con-artist.

I suggest you reread the words of attorney Butch Williams. He's dealt with everyone from the old-tobacco-money-whitebreads in Hope Valley to the underbelly of east and downtown Durham.

Williams described Crystal Mangum the way she should have been described. Reade, Collin, and David have carried the sludge from this liar far too long.

All women--and I don't care what race you are--should be repulsed by such a destructive person....and I suspect the real rape victims out there share a special disgust for her.

Never forget: Crystal Gail Mangum is still walking around free because she is a black woman.

No other reason.

We are witnessing that peculiar institution of racist mania called Durham. Roy Copper let it go because he knows the mentality of the freeloaders there and he chose not to stir that hornet's nest after making it clear that the lacrosse guys were INNOCENT.

Don't ever think you will get away with such a bizarre comment as yours.

The Mangum criminal has gotten yet another free ride.....something to which she is so accustomed.

Don't waste bandwith putting a soft cushion under her bubble azz. No one will abide it.

Debrah

rod allison, detroit said...

" Now I know that, in the world of 88ist academia, even Asians can be stupid."

Yes, Ho has been completely assimilated.

I speak Japanese, and when I work with Japanese engineers/technicians, there is sort of a continuous, mutually fascinating and enriching, cross cultural exchange.

With Ho that would be impossible. She's not Asian. She's an idiot, self-righteous "progressive" American who probably has no idea just how much she has conformed to the American academic culture she is in.

She repeated all the G88, Selena Roberts, Reverend Barber party line verbatim. No different ideas or perspective. Total assimilation.

mac said...

I like how Ho does a good Animal House routine...
Ho: And "shouldn't Duke students, Lacrosse and non-lacrosse players
alike...?"

Otter: "Isn't this an indictment of our educational systems in general?
...isn't this an indictment of our entire
American society?"

I think the 88's have been pre-parodied (sort of like pre-paid)
with this quote in an earlier thread, but it was too good not
to use again!

Ho should be made to watch "Volunteers" a
couple of hundred times,
and she might be leading
in a chorus of the Washington State fight song.

inman said...

It just occurred to me that the commercial terms of the agreement with the escort service have not been fully idntified. The popular myth may in fact be wrong:

"And then there’s the fact that this group of young men, athletes, who ostensibly represent their school, didn’t think twice about hiring women to take off their clothes for them."

Did Flannery or angone else bargain for the exotic dancers / strippers / whores to take off their clothes?

Whether they did or not, it has never been disclosed and accordingly, anyone that asserts that the lacrosse players required CMG and Roberts to "take off their clothes" before or during their brief dance has ventured into certain hyperbole or even libel.

Anonymous said...

Ho asks "Shouldn’t Duke students, lacrosse players and non-lacrosse players alike, owe it to themselves to question the kinds of privilege they walk around with...?"

My answer:
No and hell no. Rather than engage in useless or probably even destructive self flagellation over facts one can not change, it is far better to make the most of oneself. To strive to be the best at whatever one does and to be a fair and magnanimous person. Wallow in self pity of white guilt is counterproductive to any desirable goal.

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Anonymous said...

What a boring, sad life Professor Ho must lead, seeking to reduce every person she sees to their skin color and sex.

Anonymous said...

KC, beware of calling Jennifer a "Ho." That is what got Imus in trouble.

The more important question, "Is Jennifer a Communist?"

Anonymous said...

I am more and more amazed at the major infestation of idiots in the realm of so-called higher education.

Why is it that visions of flower pots and blooms keep floating thru my admittedly feeble brain?

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Anonymous said...

mac 10:24

The proverbial "10 foot pole" always comes to mind when I think of the Lacrosse players and the pictures of the walking, talking cesspool writhing on the floor of the house comes to mind. I think sitting on the sofa was a lot closer than they wanted to be.

inman said...

I am absolutely stunned. Who is this Ho?

White male privilege? Give me a break. I am a white male anglo-saxon protestant male and I've had to hold the proverbial door open for blacks and for women for years. I've been polite, even when someone was hired for a position to which I applied (even though that person pronounced ...."chimney"....'"chimbley" ...no kidding.)

I've been polite even when it was clear that otherwise bright blacks had been given, and were now dependent upon, "social promotions."

I've had direct reports who are women...whose abilities were substantially short of their self image, who thought they deserved a promotion, when in fact, their abilities in their current job were questionable.

I've felt the anger that has been promoted by the 88. Now...I am thinking about all of this ... and I am becoming angry.

I am white. I am male. I am married. I have children. I speak only English. I am an English-American.

Frankly, the notion of an English-American has been co-opted by those who loudly proclaim the African-American status. Well, from this time forward, I am an English-American and proud of that fact.

I know my country and its history. I revere those who gave their lives so that I may live in the best experiment of mankind. I also know how my family contributed to that experiment.

I am an English-American. I have respect for Irish-Americans, for Italian-Americans, for Polish-Americans, and yes for African-Americans ...well for all those who proclaim a faith and allegiance to the fundamental principles of our great nation.

But rest assured, when racist agendas and bigoted principles of angry people assault my family and its heritage and its future...then the fight is joined, for I cannot allow that to exist.

I'll start with Eduardo Bonilla-Silva ... Sir, please be advised, ... you are now one of my projects. I consider you a threat to my family and its heritage. Your scholarship must be exposed for the fraud that it is.

Eduardo Bonilla-Silva ... You do not deserve the freedom granted by this country, its past and those who have died to defend that concept.

Eduardo Bonilla-Silva ... you are a manace.

Please leave.

Anonymous said...

Ms Ho, Please enlighten us where you have determined that racists statements were made to the strippers in the Lacrosse house. The AG investigators have stated that nothing of the sort happened.

Now in your diatribe that KC quoted you state that it happened. Since we, who have followed this hoax from the beginning, know this statement to be untrue, tell me when to believe anything you say.

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Gary Packwood said...

Anonymous 9:25 said...

...Very frightening for a mom looking toward the future for her white son. What happened to "justice for all"?
...DAA
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Perhaps the good news is that we now know that the loopy academic left are linked together and are talking to one another.

If we keep reading we will be more knowledgeable about what there are advocating as we advise young people.

You and a friend may decide to attend one of their regional conferences for fun. You can take your son along and enjoy pre-popped popcorn...during the plenary session.

After enough of this new vision for AMERIKKKA the kids should take cell phone pictures and call the office of Homeland Security.
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GP

Anonymous said...

Don't be nasty to Jennifer Ho or else she's gonna make you call her Ms. Ho.

Oh, and Debrah, you're a racist, too.

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Anonymous said...

I recall a class I took under Dr. Turner at Duke Divinity titled Black Church History. Kathy Rudy was in the class. Turner was lecturing about the various cultures in Africa that got all mixed up here in America in the 1800s. He referred to the “cultures” as “interpenetrating” one another. He used the term “interpenetrate” several times. Finally Rudy and another woman exploded and slammed out of the room. Turner looked absolutely crestfallen: “What happened,” he asked. “You used the term “interpenetration” too much,” someone said. “What?” he said, with a look of absolute bewilderment. If I recall correctly, he had a meeting with Rudy and the dean of the Divinity School before things got straightened out. That was 18 years ago! This stuff did start up last year.

Anonymous said...

If you haven't gone over to look at Ho's blog, it has some really interesting comments. My guess is that her blog hasn't seen this much traffic since she asked out that married Optometrist.

After reading Ho's piece, I was affronted ... as an amateur writer of English. It almost seemed like K.C. edited out the "fer sures" and the "like, whatevers."
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To Debrah - "Never forget: Crystal Gail Mangum is still walking around free because she is a black woman." Well put!

The anonymous poster at 8:52 must not realize how many police reports and witness statements K.C. Johnson has pored over about this woman. As I like to say, she was so covered in male DNA, it was as if she unscrewed the top off of a semen hydrant and played underneath it all afternoon.
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This article by Professor Ho seems to be perfectly crafted to piss us off. Hmmm ... too perfectly crafted ... WATCH OUT K.C., IT'S A TRAP!
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To Bill Anderson: When you, rightly, question the morality and attitudes of these "elite" scholars, it makes you wonder what those poor, uneducated folks on the O.J. jury were thinking.
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This is some serious in-your-face out-in-the-open racism that we had previously seen from a few others like Chan Hall. Are the anti-justice, anti-colorblind folks so emboldened that they can now scoff at Justice, the justice system and an entire branch of government?
__________________

"If Jennifer Ho is a professor of English, then that must make K.C. Johnson Emperor of all Languages and Communication." From - Deductive Reasoning. MOO! Gregory

inman said...

After I posted my comments at 10:44 ... I noted that Professor Ho had joined the debate. Now I ask about the statement:

"I don�t feel the Duke lacrosse team is fully exonerated. Yes, they may not have perpetrated rape, but are they totally innocent of the white privilege, the class privilege, the very male privilege that they wear as casually as they wear their uniforms?"

It is absolutely naive and self-serving for you to attach 'white' with 'privilege'....to attach 'white' with 'class' ... to attach 'male' with 'privilege'. The contrapositives are too numerous to mention or to catalogue. You, in making that statement have demonstrated your political motive and, frankly, a singular lack of scholarship and the requisite search for truth.

Thomas S. Inman
AB Trinity '74
MBA University of Virginia '77
Life -- until the present

Anonymous said...

Dear Miss Ho,

Are you doing what you do to those young men because they are just that, young men, or is it because they are young white men or is it just because they are males or because they are white males or is it because they are young white males who are young, white males from the north (Yankees) or is it because these young, white males are Catholic, or just what is your problem? Perhaps these young, white males were circumcized, and you are confused and evious. There are those who would think so. Do you not feel their pain? Do you not understand the exceptional statement made by the Attorney General of the state of North Carolina? What part of innocent do you not understand? Why do you sound like a cookie cutter clone of the Duke Group88?
Please!

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Anonymous said...

Professor Ho, if that IS your real name, we judge people here by their ideas. Your ideas suck. Moreover, they're racist.

The rest of the people typing to this blog could be Grebulons from Pluto for all I know or care. They do, for the most part, have a basic idea about what constitutes Justice, Truth and the Pursuit of Knowledge. For that, and that alone, I respect them.

Now, I've been dying to reply to a post put on TalkLeft by Brad Bannon, so I bid you all good night!
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"Professor K.C. Johnson has more scholarship in one toenail clipping from his little toe (the one that went "wee, wee, wee" all the way home), than Jennifer Ho will ever read, see or even hear about." Ancient American Proverb. MOO! Gregory

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haskell said...

Dr. Ho,
I made some smart-ass remarks earlier that were hateful and I apologize.

You seem to be the victim of your colleagues. Most of us on this board are decent people who have not been allowed to hold open discourse about the problems of race or gender. Ask Larry Summers, formerly of Harvard, about that. One-sided censorship and privileged pontifications come from your friends and colleagues, not us. You want a fair debate?? You can be pro, I will be con. But I tell you I would be called a racist by all of your buddies in attendance.
You are a lightning rod. Sorry, your buddies set you up, just as they have set up all of us for years and years. I am sure you got only support from your friends and colleagues in the narrow world of political correctness, the mainstream though just shakes their collective heads and puts up with the nonsense because if they don't, severe social and political penalties are imposed. Open discussions? Logical arguments? Reasoned statements? I thought that was what a university was for, not to be a forum for propaganda.

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Anonymous said...

For Pete's sake. I believe these people have a shortcut key in their wordprocessor to quickly insert "race, class, and sex" into their articles. Or their wordprocessor boots up with those words automatically inserted into the new page and they simply type the article around them.
-J-

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“race, class, and sex” – it’s like these academics espousing the epistle of “race, class, and sex” are stuck in the 8th grade mindset that divided the world into the oversimplified realm of themselves vs. those “others, jocks/rich kids, and popular kids” – like a script to a John Landis 1980s movie (Breakfast Club?).

“race, class, and sex”
------equal in Adolescence----------
“others, jocks/rich kids, and popular kids”

Eschew Freud if you must, but I’m sure he would have something to say about that. So I begin to wonder if these certain “academics” – back on oh… 8th grade or high school… were the “them” in the them vs.those “others, jocks, and popular kids” [“race, class, and sex”]and never grew out of it or still hold a grudge.

I was a "them" myself, but look back and notice I've grown a bit since then. Thankfully.

I’m also amused (and relieved) these “academics” can find a willing audience and gainful employment in the university system and mostly read by their peers (the choir). Their lack of logic and rigorous thinking, and reason… if unleashed into the business, scientific, or real-world in general would set us back 100 years. No, my children would not be corrupted in college, even if they took such a course they’d see right through this BS in half a lecture. And I’m talking about kids that are more enlightened & open to “race, class, and sex” than these academics appear to be.

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Anonymous said...

Great Post, KC.

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09parent said...

Thank you for "sharing" Ms. Ho's IDIOTIC blogging posts. She is hilarious in her vapidity! And Ms. Ho, picture me like this: female, holder of more than one degree, liberal on many issues, a career devoted to the actual delivery of social services to members of our society in marginal positions, and a feminist.

Please do not underestimate the credentials or the societal contributions made by the diverse posters here. Although the acumen displayed in your blog would lead me to conclude that you can't appreciate what true moral outrage is based on.

I am confidant that my idealistic, artistic and athletic Duke student and white male son, grandson of people who fled Hitler's Germany just in time, will never have to spend an hour of his life with a woman who is so deeply confused about white male privilege and the victim status you confer on people capable of the most aggregious most malicious lies for the bald-faced goal of financial exploitation.

In all honesty, my son of left of center parents will never be hood-winked by you or anyone like you. He watched the mob in action, three members of the lacrosse team were respected friends on his hall and suffered harm vastly disproportionate to the crass party attendance, and my son was deeply shocked by those professors he wanted to respect who displayed no regard for due process and who allowed prejudice and malice as shallow as yours to blind them.

This was never about the oppression of women in a sexist society. Did you not see CGM's male first cousin dressed as a female pandering to the public by attempting to sell her not even born poor infant: born today in Chapel Hill and the "Duke Rape baby"! What hubris! These are your victims! This woman and her family are MIA in moral development. But you can't sort this out from a tasteless spring break party.

You, Ms. Ho, have given your sympathies to a vile perpetrator who found people like yourself (and here I only refer to your lack of fairness, logic, and mental acuity) easy to con. You display no sense of proportion, and a cliched point of view that fed the mob we so abhor.

When you post such drivel, you can expect a response from people who think you are part of the problem.

(I do think everyone above who had to comment on her name should have not stooped, despite how much her empty prattle in the face of brazen prosecutorial misconduct wed to political correctness gone mad provokes us all.)

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bill anderson said...
At least we understand how elite "scholars" think about "justice." All "justice" is to be race, class, and sex-based,with outcomes determined by those things. Nothing else will suffice.

At least we now can understand the mentality of the professorial class in this country when they supported Stalin and Mao when they were murdering millions of people. (I was in college when Mao ran China, and he was seen as a demigod by a number of members of the University of Tennessee faculty.)

Jul 27, 2007 9:07:00 PM

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I was in college when Mao died---many of those same types that saw him as a demigod transferred their loyalty to:

Envar Hoxha (leader of Albania).

This is not a joke--at that time Albania was the only eastern European communist country that was alligned with China and not the USSR.

ZEKE