Thursday, January 18, 2007

The Group of 88's Myths and Realities

If nothing else, the rump Group of 88 has demonstrated a talent for revisionist history. Their recent statement unsuccessfully attempted to explain away both the context and the actual wording of their springtime ad.

Myth #1: The Group of 88’s statement had nothing to do with the accuser’s March 14 allegations.

The new statement claims that many (unnamed) people have “intentionally” misread the April 6 ad as, among other things, “a comment on the alleged rape.”

Reality

It’s hard to treat this assertion seriously.

The lead section of the Group of 88’s statement mentioned “what happened to this young woman.” I doubt that signatories were referring to the accuser’s dangerous habit of mixing alcohol and Flexeril; or were expressing their concerns about the impropriety of filing a false police report.

Moreover, the statement’s author herself, Wahneema Lubiano, conceded the connection between the statement and the case; ESPN reported that she prepared the statement fully aware that it could be seen as “a as a stake through the collective heart of the lacrosse team.” A vivid image.

Finally, four of the ad’s eleven anonymous statements that allegedly came from Duke students specifically referenced the accuser’s allegations.

Myth #2: The Group of 88 was committed to upholding the presumption of innocence for the lacrosse players.

The new statement claims that the signatories “stand firmly by the principle of the presumption of innocence.”

Reality

As with the first myth, it’s hard to treat this claim seriously.

Several Group members independently commented on the case either shortly before or shortly after the ad appeared:

  • Houston Baker penned a public letter denouncing the “abhorrent sexual assault, verbal racial violence, and drunken white male privilege loosed amongst us” and urging the “immediate dismissals” of “the team itself and its players”;
  • William Chafe published an op-ed suggesting that the behavior of the whites who lynched Emmett Till provided the appropriate historical context through which to interpret the lacrosse players’ actions;
  • Wahneema Lubiano told the N&O that “people can’t imagine that the woman could have made a false rape allegation.”

These remarks do not suggest a passionate commitment to the lacrosse players’ presumption of innocence.

Several of the ad’s anonymous statements that allegedly came from Duke students also do not reflect the presumption of innocence. One anonymous student allegedly said, “No one is really talking about how to keep the young woman [the accuser] central to the conversation, how to keep her humanity before us.” Another anonymous student allegedly said, “If something like this happens to me . . . what would be used against me—my clothing?” A third anonymous student allegedly said, “Duke isn’t really responding to this. Not really. And this, what has happened, is a disaster.’

These remarks do not suggest a passionate commitment to the lacrosse players’ presumption of innocence.

Finally, and most obviously: if the Group members were so concerned with presumption of innocence back in April, why didn’t they include those three words somewhere in their statement? And why, after all this time, has not even one of the 87 who signed the “clarifying” statement denounced Mike Nifong for mistreating their own institution’s students?

Myth #3: In saying “thank you” to anti-lacrosse player protesters, committing themselves to “turn up the volume,” and announcing that the affair “won’t end with what the police say or the court decides,” the Group of 88 in no way prejudged the case.

The new statement claims, “We do not endorse every demonstration that took place at the time. We appreciate the efforts of those who used the attention the incident generated to raise issues of discrimination and violence.”

Reality

As with the first two myths, this claim, too, is difficult to treat seriously.

In the Group’s after-the-fact justification, 88 Duke faculty members failed to notice protesters who had branded the players guilty, even though the potbangers received extensive media coverage at the local, statewide, and national level. The Group of 88 also failed to notice the “wanted” posters that were plastered around campus. So when their statement said “thank you” to the protesters, Group of 88 members were actually thanking other, unidentified protesters.

In the event, the rump Group’s statement—just like the original Group’s statement—goes out of its way to thank the potbangers. The rump Group stated, “We appreciate the efforts of those who used the attention the incident generated to raise issues of discrimination and violence”—the very agenda that the potbangers claimed to support as they held signs demanding “Castrate” and “Time to Confess.”

As Stephen Bainbridge points out, the rump statement appears to bolster its contention through a distorted quotation:

The ad thanked "the students speaking individually and...the protesters making collective noise. We do not endorse every demonstration that took place at the time. We appreciate the efforts of those who used the attention the incident generated to raise issues of discrimination and violence."

Notice the strategic use of ellipses in the second paragraph's quotation from the original ad. Here's the relevant passage of the original ad in full text:

To the students speaking individually and to the protestors making collective noise, thank you for not waiting and for making yourselves heard.

Is it just me, or does thanking students for "not waiting" - presumably for the legal system to do its thing - sound a lot like rendering a judgment?

In fact, the Group’s new claim that the April 6 ad dealt not with the lacrosse case in particular but broader problems of racism and sexism in general mimics the very same strategy adopted by . . . the potbangers.

On April 10, shortly after defense attorneys announced there were no DNA matches, it briefly appeared as if the case would end. Potbanger leader and Duke graduate student Rann Bar-on predicted that “the media will turn to a pretty harsh, but pretty short-term assault on us (the people who ‘jumped to conclusions’...we will see that phrase a lot in the near future).” To address the problem, he recommended that the potbangers

focus on the notion that this case merely uncovered a far deeper problem, namely the sense of entitlement and privilege so pervasive on Duke's campus. Duke-Durham relations are tense for a reason: Duke kids are upper-class, rich, entitled, privileged and so on. This case merely highlights their lack of respect for the community in which they live. The players’ guilt or lack thereof has no effect on this.

Bar-on wrote these words on April 10. In their new statement, the Concerned (with Being Sued) Duke Faculty are following in the potbangers’ steps: to avoid expected condemnations of having rushed to judgment, they contend that their goal all along was “a far deeper problem,” wholly unconnected to the condemnations of the lacrosse players.

Some might deem this approach the height of cynicism.

Myth #4: The “clarifying” statement will limit the Group of 88’s legal liability.

Reality

Given that this new statement was undoubtedly cleared by a lawyer, I’d suggest that the rump Group find new counsel.

I hear that Mike Nifong might be looking for work soon. Given how much the Group of 88 has assisted him over the past ten months, perhaps he’d be willing to take their case on a pro bono basis?

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Anonymous said...

Those of you debating the legal merits of various potential lawsuits are acting like there are black and whites in the law. The legal profession (judges, bar associations, lawyers, and many politicians) have worked hard, and been mainly successful, in destroying that concept. Hell, haven't you heard even the Constitution is "a living, breathing document."

The most important aspect of any lawsuit is venue, who will be the judge and secondarily who will be the jury.

If the students can sue Duke in there home states, and I would think they can as Duke knowingly entered into a contract with them knowing they were from where ever they are from, then at a minimum they should have a judge who will allow their local reelection fund base (i.e. local lawyers) to drag the suit out thus extorting Duke to settle-up and maybe even admit some wrong doing.

The only thing working against the above is that the hardest people to sue, no matter how incompetent, are lawyers. Duke has a prestigious law school and therefore judges maybe loath to let suits against Duke proceed for fear of being spoken badly about in the inner circle.

My bet is some suits will move forward in some places and some will not in others and it will have nothing to do with the merits of the suit itself.

Anonymous said...

Can't resist excerpting Mr. Alton Maddox Jr.'s probing biology question:

"The most important question in this case, based on biology... After the white lacrosse players watched this Black female shake her butt and private parts, in a sexually arousing fashion, did their white phalluses come to attention? Being full-blooded males, what made the phalluses come to “at ease?” In other words, what happened next? This is the answer that North Carolina is seeking to cover up."

Really! That's what he actually wrote.

Anonymous said...

6:13pm---You waste much time on trivia. It's amazing that you'd spend so much space and time reading tea leaves on the internet. Although I understand your fascination with Debrah.
I have been visiting the various blogs on the Duke case and find this one to be among the best. Don't have the time or the inclination to post much. Just enjoy reading the comments.
Don't let other people's comments bother you so much. Maybe then you will elevate your own level of discourse as you should.

Brad from CT

Anonymous said...

Just off the AP presses:

NAACP asks for thorough examination of Duke lacrosse case, asks those involved to be quiet

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ap-dukelacrosse&prov=ap&type=lgns

Michael said...

NAACP Urges Fair Probe of Duke Case

M. Simon said...

Anon 8:19 PM,

Do you suppose CGM leaking fluids from her orifices might have been a turn off?

I suppose Alton Maddox Jr. might find such a display thrilling given his florid prose on the subject.

Michael said...

[The state chapter of the NAACP on Thursday called on those involved with the Duke lacrosse sexual assault case _ from defense attorneys to state bar officials _ to stop talking publicly while the state attorney general's office begins its review.]

Speaking out by defense attorneys, the players and parents and another group of people called, um, er, bloggers contributed greatly to the removal of one that shouldn't have brought charges in the first place. The process should be able to withstand the scrutiny of the public eye so that innocents don't get railroaded as they did in the close GJ proceedings.

Michael said...

re: 8:19

There was an article a few weeks ago (maybe Newsweek) with a picure of Mr. Finnerty and his girlfriend at BC.

Mr. Seligmann and Mr Finnerty were both calling their girlfriends on the phone that night.

I'd guess their reaction to CGM was boredom.

Anonymous said...

Ugh, I don't even want to hear about the result of a woman leaking the fluids she picked up from 5 or 6 men. Without a bath or a change of clothing.

No wonder the lacrosse players wanted her out of their bathroom and the house.

This is a revenge thing from CGM. Pure and simple.

She wanted to stay because "there was more money to be made". They wanted her to go!

Anonymous said...

The comments from the NAACP are rich, really rich. If you would like to read the CURRENT website for the NC NAACP on the lacrosse case, here it is:

http://www.naacpncnetwork.org/
Publicity/768

This site claims not only rape, but also tries to intimate that Reade Seligmann somehow slipped back to the party, as did a bunch of others, and took part in the gang rape. So, as long as the NAACP insists on giving a version of events that even Nifong could not try to allege, I seriously doubt that this organization really cares about what happened.

The NAACP wants a railraod job, and they want the attorneys just to sit back, be silent, and let the "justice" system work. Right.

Anonymous said...

8:04: Inner circle?

Because the lacrosse players are from different jurisdictions, and because the statements are so widespread, they have the option to sue in places like NY.

Duke does not register up there. Cornell, Harvard, Yale, BC, yes. Duke? No.

-Esquire-
-Maryland-

Anonymous said...

The NAACP's statement is laughable. I do not recall them being overly silent during the initial part of this case. Suddenly, when things don't look so good for the prosecution, we should all turn into pumpkins so the wheels of justice can grind on and the train gets a steady supply of fuel.

Sorry, NAACP, it's a new day. Their hypocricy is galling.

-Esquire-
-Maryland-

Jerri Lynn Ward, J.D. said...

M. Simon said...
Anon 8:19 PM,

"Do you suppose CGM leaking fluids from her orifices might have been a turn off?"

I've tried, since learning about the panties result, to retain some semblance of classiness--but in response to M.Simon's comment, I must say:

This

Anonymous said...

To Bill Anderson at 9:06pm. Be careful not to criticize the NAACP or you will be labeled a white racist. Remember it's perfectly acceptable for the NAACP to engage in smear campaigns, lie about the facts and support the criminal element of their race. The minute you question their credibility, if they have any left, the will bring in Jackson and Sharpton to shake down everyone who criticizes them. With the NAACP its all about stirring up the pot and lining their board's pockets. Sound like a criminal enterprise ?

Anonymous said...

From an article in The Cornell Daily Sun:

"In March, professors Rosenberg and Baker both signed the statement of the so-called “group of 88”, denouncing white racism, and thanking the protesters, who were busily demonizing the lacrosse team for a crime that evidently never happened, for “not waiting” for the legal process. Now that it is clear that the players were innocent, they are owed an apology, not a further accusation. To say “well, you’re not a rapist, but you drink, so you deserved to be taunted, arrested, accused of rape and removed from school,” is not merely inadequate, but scandalous. The arrests of lacrosse players based on minimal evidence has a disturbing “round up the usual suspects” feel; this case likely would not have gone forward except that “everybody knows” athletes do things like this. It is disgraceful that many members of the Duke faculty encouraged this rush to judgment."

http://www.cornellsun.com/comment/reply/20771

Anonymous said...

Just to be clear...

Did the Pot-Bangers misinterpret the ad too? Because maybe if they misinterpreted the first ad the way everyone else seems to have done, then maybe this whole thing is just one big "ooooops" and we can all go home now (except for the 3 LAX players charged with felonies).

So, what was the interpretation of the Pot-Bangers?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it's just me, but a leaky, smelly, drunk prostitute can really be quite an aphrodisiac.

Especially a looker like Crystal Gail.

Anonymous said...

"To Bill Anderson at 9:06pm. Be careful not to criticize the NAACP or you will be labeled a white racist."

To Bill Anderson at 9:06pm. You are a white racist.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 8:04: "Those of you debating the legal merits of various potential lawsuits are acting like there are black and whites in the law. The legal profession (judges, bar associations, lawyers, and many politicians) have worked hard, and been mainly successful, in destroying that concept. Hell, haven't you heard even the Constitution is 'a living, breathing document.'

"The most important aspect of any lawsuit is venue, who will be the judge and secondarily who will be the jury."

You're right, the law is not black and white -- and it never has been, for as far back as legal records go. You're also right that venue can make a difference. But the weaker a case is, the less likely it is that it will come before a judge who is enough of a hack and also biased enough to decide against the run of the law & let the case go to a jury. Plus, the weaker the winning case, the likelier it is to be appealed.

- Lawyer J

Anonymous said...

Can the Group of 88 be successfully sued ? What would that entail ? One of you good lawyers must know ?

Do you think Wendy Murphy can be sued ? How about Nancy (dis)Grace ?

What about all those random people who protested outside the house with hate banners, can we get them too ?

What is Broadheads liability (please god, tell me we can sue the pants off him) ?

More ??

RBD

Michael said...

re: bill anderson @ 9:06

Jay Leno should invite Reade onto his show so that Reade could explain his powers of being in two places at the same time.

Anonymous said...

To 10:20:

Does that mean I hate my two sons, since both of them are black?

Also, this is the first time in the history of the NAACP that the organization has called for a gag order. The NAACP's website also clearly states that Crystal was raped, and it says that Seligmann came back to the party.

Why is it racist to point out that information?

Is it racist to make false accusations against other people for racial reasons? Hmmmmmm....

Anonymous said...

Regarding lawsuits, the thing that would hurt Duke the most would be the information that comes out in discovery. There would not be a trial, even if Duke thought it would win, since the information that lawyers would discover would be more harmful to them than the legal fees they would pay to win the case.

I would imagine that Duke would settle rather than have its dirty laundry hung out for everyone to see.

Anonymous said...

Can someone please supply a link to the Listening Statement?

I was told that words like "everyday" were misspelled. Might be fun to copy edit on the board.

RP

Jerri Lynn Ward, J.D. said...

Bill Anderson, you said:

"Regarding lawsuits, the thing that would hurt Duke the most would be the information that comes out in discovery. There would not be a trial, even if Duke thought it would win, since the information that lawyers would discover would be more harmful to them than the legal fees they would pay to win the case.

I would imagine that Duke would settle rather than have its dirty laundry hung out for everyone to see."

Do they really understand how badly they will look to us normal folk? Academia seems to be full of real loonies who have no idea about how unreal their ideas look to those of us outside the campus--regardless of our party affiliation. Or--is my perception skewed and only a handful of academia is really "ivory tower" oriented?

Anonymous said...

"We stand by the claim that issues of race and sexual violence on campus are real, and we join the ad's call to all of us at Duke to do something about this. We hope that the Duke community will emerge from this tragedy as a better place for all of us to live, study, and work."

You mean the tragedy the G88 created, or the one that the FA created?

Are they saying the issues of race and sexual assault are so bad at Duke that this is the only method to address them?

I really think I'd receive a failing grade if I'd turned this in myself, but since they are college perfessers, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps one of the LAX players could rewrite it.

Anonymous said...

Jerri,

As you can imagine, pettiness reigns at a place like Duke. When I was in graduate school, I watched certain professors destroy our department, which had a good reputation at the time. The reasons were purely petty, but that is the academic world, where the fights are nasty because the stakes are low.

We also see people like Karla Holloway, who attempt to look intelligent while writing really stupid things.

Now, I like my job, but I also know the limitations of the academic world....

Anonymous said...

Romp the Rump Nursery Rhymes

Silly Poem 1

The Rump has been thoroughly roasted.

Yet believes it has had a bum rap.

"We're still right," they've boasted, when really they're toasted

Cause no one believes all their crap!

Silly Poem 2

The Chronicle says, "Whoa."
The Rump says, "No!"
So right into court that bunch must go!


Recipe for Roasted Rump-Serves 87

Find lots of pots and pans and wooden spoons.
Preheat oven to any high temperature.
In spring, place meat in assorted pans and allow it to steam and stew for nine to ten months, basting regularly.
Occasionally open oven door and whack pans with wooden spoons.
In January remove from oven.
Carefully pull meat apart--it will be rather tough--no tender morsels.
Serve in its own juices with horseradish on the side.
Be prepared to chew a long time.
You may spit it out if necessary.

Bon Appetit!

Anonymous said...

Today the Dallas Morning News condemned DA Nifong in a penetrating editorial. "...the men were railroaded by a DA leading a witch hunt."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/stories/DN-nifong_18edi.ART.State.Edition1.2976bfb.html

A proud Duke lacrosse grandparent
G. Holman King
Granbury, TX

Anonymous said...

Oh my God!

There's a photo posted of Cousin Jackee at Crystal Mess.

Priceless.

Duke Mom

Jerri Lynn Ward, J.D. said...

Bill,

"Now, I like my job, but I also know the limitations of the academic world...."

I am going to pray for you. I am going to ask God that you and KC never have to face hardship caused by silly people using their power wrongfully.

Anonymous said...

The hypocrisy of the G87-90 becomes more transparent in this article from the Chronicle.

Ronen Plessler, associate professor of physics, began the the pretentious parade with, "what held (the new ad) up was that it's a complicated thing to do, and nobody wanted to get started."

How complicated can an advertisement be to PhDs in the liberal arts? And, if there are such imminent "sexual and racial" crises at Duke, how come "nobody wanted to get started?"

Come on, guys! Students are being raped! Every moment means another hate crime! Can we at least get started, here?

Plessler "plessed" on: "This is not an organized effort," Plesser said. "My personal hope is that this will be the basis for a conversation on campus... a conversation that will eventually lead to some understanding."

Not an organized effort? The ad is signed by 87, now 90 people and it's not an "organized effort". Was there some mystical convergence of Mont Blancs in Durham recently?

The good news is, Plesser's fond hope for a "conversation on campus" has long ago been realized. Might not be the "conversation" he wanted, but, then again, he doesn't appear to be a part of it, anyway.

Contrary to the first ad, the G87 are the ones not "listening", because everybody's talking about this case.

Maybe if Pressler acutally listened to what those people were saying, that might "lead to some understanding".

I hope so, because I'd love to know what that "understanding" is.

Next up, Elizabeth Clark, John Carlisle Kilgo professor of religion:

"When the situation becomes such that honored members of the faculty are being attacked on blogs in very personal ways, I think it's perhaps time to say that we join in... the struggle against racism and sexism at Duke," said Clark, who was not among the 88 who signed the original ad.

Forgot the jump in logic from "attacks" by killer "blogs" immediately to "struggle against racism and sexism" and focus on these two words:

"Honored faculty"?

Who's the elitist snob, now, Elizabeth? You can't be an "honored athlete" and get any respect, but you sure can be an "honored faculty" without fear of cookware being hammered on your sidewalk.

And if you want the "personal attacks" from the blogs to stop, Elizabeth, how about helping to stop the "racism and sexism" being heaped up Reade Seligmann, Dave Evans and Collin Finnerty? Or did you forget they, too, were once-upon-a-time "at Duke"?

The namesake for Prof. Clark's position, John Carlisle Kilgo, once was at Duke. In fact, President Kilgo invited Booker T. Washington to speak at Trinity, during a time in the Old South when that sort of thing was frowned upon.

The Black Panthers do that sort of thing today in the New South.

miriam cooke. i guess she's a fan of the poet, e.e. cummings, who never capitalized his name, either. Ironic, since (speaking crudely here) "cummings" apparently have had absolutely nothing to do with this case.

miriam (my spell-check doesn't like the small 'm', miriam, how do you deal with that?) wants the "attacks to stop", so what does she do? She signs another ad! This one, backing the assertions in the first ad! An ad which caused the "attacks" to begin in the first place.

"Capital" idea, there, miriam.

Laurie Shannon...

"In an e-mail to The Chronicle, Laurie Shannon, associate professor of English, criticized the newspaper for not giving due weight to faculty members' right to freedom of expression."

Of course, we all know 'Due' and 'right' and 'freedom' are the exclusive provinces of college professors, not lacrosse players, so don't count on any Laur-e-mail criticizing Mike Nifong, the G88 and, oh yeah, herself, for "not giving due weight to" the rights of the accused.

Kenneth Surin's at the plate, fans, and he looks tough today, oh boy...

"Writing in another e-mail, Kenneth Surin, professor of literature and religion and critical theory, said the paper's "censorship" of the ad was "very disturbing."

Did the Chronicle "censor" the ad, Ken?

"The Chronicle offered to run the letter on the condition that the authors accepted certain editorial changes to wording that posed legal risks for the newspaper."

They did not. Their lawyers wanted changes for liability reasons, which doesn't exactly meet the standard of "censorship" under its 1st Amendment-style definition. Of course, you among the "honored" faculty are entitled to refuse to "honor" the Chronicle's edits, which you did.

There's that pesky term "entitled" again.

Thinking about it, though, I think Ken has a point. If the Chronicle "is so innocent in all this, why do they need lawyers?"

Anonymous said...

Okay. Let's hit the easily viewed, shallow counter-attack points one at a time:

1. Hollaway states to Cash Michael that some unidentified lacrosse player, or someone else, or this guy named Fred, or something said to somebody, who then made a phone call, who then reported to Mr. X, who then passed it on to Ms. Hollaway, that someone at the party made a racist remark. We all know that the other dancer totally destroyed this little fairy tale, but bear with me.

2. The Group of 87 comes out with a letter that they aren't into lynching their own students, they are just misunderstood. They just oppose those nasty racists in their group, gosh, they are under every rock, you see. This little mantra is the race-hustlers version of "puppys are nice." It's generic, and it assumes everyone can agree with it. The fact that it's not a view any rational person holds has not crossed their minds. The idea that racists roam the Duke campus in droves is, as KC points out, a ludicrous position. I hear Brown has a serious racist problem too. Get real.

3. The NAACP suddenly turns into a law and order outfit, and begs all of us to accept that maybe three students' civil rights were violated, but golly, let's allow "justice" to take its course. No, pray be silent, protesting the events will do no one any good. Sure glad MLK isn't alive to see this one. Rosa Parks, just sit in the back of that bus, that's the law. The shallowness of their position given the history of the Civil Rights movement, and its refusal to accept different standards for people based upon race, is outrageous.

Getting the pattern? This coven of the weak-minded is actually launching a counter-offensive now that the facts are turning against them, and public perception with it. The reason is simple - The media, even their most trusted media outlets, are not giving voice to their arguments and views. The hypocricy of their position has become too evident for even the LA Times to support. The players got railroaded, and the accuser is a lier.

Now they are trying to recast themselves in a different light, but they use the same tired language to do it. It's not working. They have no moral high ground from which to speak.

It would be better if all of these groups did the following - Apologize.

I, for one, am not holding my breath.

-Esquire-
-Maryland-

Anonymous said...

Right on Esquire Maryland!

Mr. Pepsi

Anonymous said...

Just checked out the photo of Cousin J

She hot, no doubts abouts it

Anonymous said...

2005
rape/sexual assault with black victim, white offender 0*

US Dept. of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics

Home page:
ojp.usdoj.
gov/bjs/welcome
.html

report parent page:
http://www.ojp.
usdoj.gov/bjs/
abstract/cvusst.
htm

report pdf link:
http://www.
ojp.usdoj.
gov/bjs/pub/
pdf/cvus0502.pdf

Look at page 30, for crime of rape/sexual assault with black victim, white offender.

This is for 2005, haven't looked at other years yet. The 0.0% has an asterisk, as do other statistics in the report, saying that it was "based on about 10 or fewer sample cases".

Newyorkstateofmind said...

johnboy 2:35 said

"Again, I don’t think a lawsuit would focus on straight libel or slander. It would focus on Duke, through its employees, contributing to the climate of “get someone, get anyone”."

Have to clarify a few legal essentials here so that we can get back to a realistic legal framework for viewing the potential liability of the G88, the rump G88.

There is no such thing as liability attaching to a defendant because of "scope of employment" determinations. Scope of employment becomes an issue if and only if there is an independent cause of action by which defendant can be brought to court.

And as to the independent causes of actions here, it is certainly true that the actions of the G88 could theoretically sound in tort, constitutional law, various statutory law (e.g., various harassment statutes protecting students and employees vis a vis their administrators and managers, respectively).

One might argue that libel and slander are not the best frames around which to place a cause of action. Given the overall context to this case, I would disagree with this assessment; but it is at least debatable.

What isn't debatable is this: To bring ANY causes of action in this case, which do not include among their particulars theories sounding in libel and slander law would constitute legal malpractice, and depending on the judge, and a credible reading of relevant case law, possibly malpractice per se.

Any civil attorney bringing this case will use multiple causes of action to bring this case (else malpractice action if plaintiff loses);

BTW, johnboy, as apposite as you appear to think your corporate experience is in connection with the facts here, many of the potential lawsuits companies face in connection with the marketing, distribution and sale of their products and services have to do with overlapping and often truly Byzantine state and federal and even local regulations stipulating the manner of how goods and services are marketed, distributed and sold.

Very little, if any, of that applies here. It is true that various harassment statutes may apply here, and to the extent that your argument is framed around that possibility, you are in the realm of how this may indeed go down. There may indeed be government regulations related to college students and their administrators which would address the issue of the admins failure to protect their own students when false accusations of rape occur--that is to say--there may indeed be such regulations that would go beyond the general, legal, fiduciary duty Duke Admin has to its students--which duty is legally actionable and accountable in civil court, and enforceable through civil suits--and even Duke's own governing verbiage on these questions may come to back to haunt them. We shall see on all these fronts.

What we won't see is a suit against the G88 without a libel/slander component.

Anonymous said...

11:46

I assume you know that at DOJ, Hispanic criminals are only clssified as Hispanic if they are victims.

Lots of so-called white perps are really Hispanic.

Anonymous said...

11:49

Good post, counselor

Question: If Dook gets hosed in lawsuits, could it sue the 88 personally?

How sweet would that be?

RP

Anonymous said...

Thanks. The Group of 88?

Sure, and what would be even better?

If their employer stated they did this on their own. Let's see what it's like to hang out to dry.

-Esquire-
-Maryland-

Anonymous said...

Hey 2:52 PM, that is a really cool letter.

Newyorkstateofmind said...

11:57 RP said

"Question: If Dook gets hosed in lawsuits, could it sue the 88 personally?"

Theoretically it could, although so much of Duke Admin's actions themselves are actionable that I suppose there would be great irony in Admin turning around and suing G88.

Yet it is true that G88's behavior has very much compromised Duke's reputation of and derivatively the ability of Admin to recruit students, hit alums up for money, and otherwise get the Duke "brand" out there in the big money world that is America.

So...Duke Admin could--and of course we're talking strictly hypothetically here--sue G88 under multiple theories--for money damages relative to Duke's loss of reputation, to contractual claims vis a vis the responsibilities (such as they are; who can but laugh when using the word "responsibility" in connection with college professors) and duties Duke's faculty owe their Admin.

One huge caveat to all this though: Given the PC nature of Duke's campus culture, and the likelihood that even as various of the Duke administrators cheered on the G88, sharing as it were the same animus towards "white-skin privilege" as G88, notwithstanding the fact that Duke administrators are themselves overwhelmingly white--in any case, taking into account the loony left nature of the Duke campus--the chances of Admin. suing its own faculty, even the whacked-out G88--are slim and none, emphasis on the none.

Still...it is a wonderful fantasy to savor, I must say.

Anonymous said...

1:12 -- Personally, I don't care whether Duke sues the G88/G87 professors, provided it seriously pursues firing them. Whether or not the harm the university has suffered from the G88/G87 is sufficient to win a lawsuit, I would think it would be sufficient to withstand a lawsuit from professors who didn't like being fired.

IMHO, professors whose only wrongful action was the signing (as opposed to authorship) of the G88/G87 letter, should probably be able to keep their jobs if they write a personal apology acknowledging their mistake. But if I was an alum, I'd want the profs that went beyond that, out.

AMac said...

anon 2:09am --

Firing tenured professors over the signatures on two juvenile open letters? Squeezing pro forma apologetics out of people who clearly are not?

Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

What's needed more than termination is lustration.

The Noam Chomskys with acclaim in their specialties and deranged politics--Duke's stuck with 'em.

For each full professors with a c.v. full of garbled screeds published in low-impact journals: who sat on their tenure review committees? What was the reasoning behind granting a lifetime, high-paying, high-prestige chair to this person?

As with Ward Churchill, these are the sorts of behind-closed-door processes that the campus Hard Left really wants kept in the dark.

Anonymous said...

Although I surely would not want to be in the shoes of the Rump when the lawsuits start coming, they seem completely unaware of their rather precarious positions.

Also, for them, the defendants have been like Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man, only here we have the three Invisible Men. While the rest of us were and are focused on the case, the Rump expected us (and the rest of the world) to understand that their Statement and Open Letter are actually NOT ABOUT the case; they are about pervasive racism and sexual assault at Duke--not THIS sexual assault, necessarily, but the epidemic of racist acts and sexual assault in general. The Invisible Men and THEIR humanity have not concerned them really, except as a means for increasing awareness about the issues that do concern them. Thus, we have been talking about entirely different subjects all along, and no wonder such confusion resulted. The invisible Duke defendants were obscured by the commonplace horrors that take place every day on campus...and that was the real subject of their writings and continues to be the subject attracting their attention. Okaaaaaay.

Extremely interesting observations on the legal side, NY State of Mind.

Observer

Anonymous said...

"I think the group of "hatey-hate" has had far too much attention,"

These people are professors at an almost-elite university (sorry, just an MIT alum's perspective :-), many of them tenured. Some of them have been promoted or had their departments' status upgraded *after* they signed that ad and appeared at those demonstrations.

That says something worrysome about American education as a whole, and something truly dire about Duke in particular. I think it's important.

Anonymous said...

Completely agreed Ralph Phelan.

Observer

Anonymous said...

Except, I do not quibble with Duke's elite status.

Observer

Anonymous said...

If anyone is still reading this thread a question was raised about why Duke wouldn't settle the Dowd suit right away to avoid the exposure of discovery. A settlement is like a tango, it takes two. The Dowds can refuse any offer of settlement. The only way Duke could avoid discovery is to admit (and make Curtis admit) all the allegation of the complaint, or default on the complaint and then pay the entire amount of the claim. I don't see that happening, particularly regarding Curtis.

Duke will probably ask the court for a protective order preventing any release of discovery material to anyone other than the lawyers' team, but a blanket protective order would seem unlikely.

Anonymous said...

Lawyer J, the fiduciary duty Duke has to its students is in loco parentis, no?

Anonymous said...

Lawyer J, the fiduciary duty Duke has to its students is in loco parentis.

Anonymous said...

John & John Bruce --

I've done some further quick research on the fiduciary-duty question. In the NC case of Ryan v. Univ. of North Carolina Hospitals, decided by the NC Court of Appeals on March 1, 2005, the court held that there was no fiduciary relationship between "educator/supervisors and medical residents." In reaching this conclusion, the court reviewed caselaw from other states, where no fiduciary relationship was found in an academic setting:

"Other jurisdictions have been reluctant to find fiduciary relationships in academic settings. Although these decisions are not binding on this Court, we are guided by the analyses set forth therein.

"For example, the South Carolina Supreme Court did not believe that the relationship between a student and an academic advisor at Clemson University was fiduciary in nature: 'Historically, this Court has reserved imposition of fiduciary duties to legal or business settings, often in which one person entrusts money to another, such as with lawyers, brokers, corporate directors, and corporate promoters. We decline to recognize the relationship between advisor and student as a fiduciary one.' Hendricks v. Clemson University . . . . A court in Missouri reached a similar result[,] . . . noting that plaintiff, a graduate student, failed to allege a fiduciary relationship, because she cited no cases finding a fiduciary relationship between a student and faculty advisor and the petition contained only bare allegations[.]"

I suppose the plaintiffs could try to convince a court otherwise, but it looks like a losing battle to me.

- Lawyer J

Anonymous said...

But isn't there a difference between a faculty adviser, which you cite in the case law, and an administrator, which you mention in your earlier post? An educational institution clearly has an in loco parentis role with regard to a student. That includes a duty to protect. One of the theories on which the civil suit against Duke and Kim Curtis was filed was breach of contract, and I think this could be extended to breach of implied contract or fiduciary responsibility. (Otherwise, why would a university have a campus police department, or have deans that would counsel students against various infractions of rules against other students?)

Remember that a suit would not be against the 88 alone, it would be against both Duke and the 88 as individuals, but of course the deep pockets are Duke's. The ads from the 88 would indicate a continuing pattern, in which Duke faculty, presuming to speak for Duke (and Duke not saying they didn't) thanked students for vaguely specified actions and effectively encouraged them -- including the threat from the New Black Panthers to come on campus and extract confessions from the players.

The basis of IIED is "outrage", and the standard is that the jurors would say "this is outrageous!" So why do we have national attention to these events and folks from all over in effect saying "this is outrageous"?

Anonymous said...

For instance, The Mullins case was based on the guarantee of security implicit in the arrangement to house students in a dorm owned and operated by the university. . . . In Furek, the fraternity was on campus, regulated by a well-publicized anti-hazing policy and under the supervision of campus police. In fact, Furek was stopped by campus police the night before "Hell Week" along with several other pledges because they were sneaking around wearing black. They were sent on their way after telling the police that they were just doing a raid on the Sigma Phi Epsilon house as a pledge activity. The court found the university liable both because it policed and regulated the fraternity and because the fraternity was on university property. . . . When the Furek decision referred to Mullins, the court wrote that "[t]he ... duty resulted from the recognition of the unique situation created by the concentration of young people on a college campus and the ability of the university to protect its students." The relevant laws are sections 314A and 323 of the Second Restatement of Torts. Section 314A says that property ownership confers liability and Section 323 says that rendering necessary protective services confers liability.

Anonymous said...

"But isn't there a difference between a faculty adviser, which you cite in the case law, and an administrator, which you mention in your earlier post?"

I don't think a court would be moved by the argument that a faculty adviser or a medical-school educator/supervisor is significantly different from an administrator. It's a distinction without a difference, as they say. They're all agents of the school with a supervisory role respecting the students.

"An educational institution clearly has an in loco parentis role with regard to a student."

The Furek case that you mentioned (594 A.2d 506) rejects the "in loco parentis" theory as outmoded and notes that other courts have ruled the same way.

"That includes a duty to protect."

A college may have a duty to protect under certain circumstances. In Furek, the Supreme Court of Delaware held that the University of Delaware had what the court called a "residual duty of control" in situations where "there is direct university involvement in, and knowledge of, certain dangerous practices of its students" -- in that case, hazing in off-campus fraternity houses that the University was aware of.

"One of the theories on which the civil suit against Duke and Kim Curtis was filed was breach of contract, and I think this could be extended to breach of implied contract or fiduciary responsibility."

As a technical matter, the kind of duty you're talking about arises under tort law, not contract law. The Furek court noted that colleges and students have a "unique relationship," and it found that certain duties of care arise (under tort law) from that relationship under certain circumstances. The court did not mention fiduciary duties. As a general matter, courts are reluctant to find fiduciary duties outside the contexts where they traditionally exist (trustees, corporate directors) because fiduciary duty brings with it a lot of responsibility that we (society) don't want to lay on someone without great justification.

". . . The ads from the 88 would indicate a continuing pattern, in which Duke faculty, presuming to speak for Duke (and Duke not saying they didn't) thanked students for vaguely specified actions and effectively encouraged them -- including the threat from the New Black Panthers to come on campus and extract confessions from the players."

I doubt that a court would find that two widely spaced occurrences make up a pattern, though the point isn't a loser on its face. I did not get from the statements that the Group was purporting to speak on behalf of the University -- indeed, by stressing that "we" (the signatories) are listening, the first statement implied that they didn't speak for the rest of the University, which was purportedly not listening. The threat about the Black Panthers was not in the statements, IIRC.

"The basis of IIED is 'outrage', and the standard is that the jurors would say 'this is outrageous!' So why do we have national attention to these events and folks from all over in effect saying 'this is outrageous'?"

The question whether the conduct was outrageous won't be up to the jury unless the judge let's it get to the jury. The defendants will probably move for summary judgment, which happens before trial, asking the judge to rule that the statements are so far from "outrageous" (as that factor has been interpreted by courts over the years) that no reasonable jury could find the outrageousness element of IIED to be satisfied. Now, one can never be sure of what a judge will do, but my money would be on a finding that the statements were not close enough to being "outrageous" that the question should go to the jury.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 5:39 was Lawyer J, by the way.

John Bruce -- If you're as interested in legal analysis as you appear to be, you might want to read Law 101, by Jay Feinman (Oxford U. Press). It's survey of basic concepts in American law.

Anonymous said...

amac 8:34am -- Firing tenured professors over the signatures on two juvenile open letters? Squeezing pro forma apologetics out of people who clearly are not?

I would suspect that some members of the G88 or G87 didn't really follow the issue and just signed onto the letter because someone shoved it in their face. Such people should have no problem writing a short, truthful, apology explaining that.

On the other hand, some other people took a more deliberate role in the G88/G87 business. And IMHO, such people bring disgrace upon the university. Were I an alum I would suspend all gifts as long as such professors remained on the payroll.

Sure, some of the people who deserve to be fired would try to write a pro-forma apology, but I doubt they could pull it off convincingly.

M. Simon said...

Jerri Lynn Ward, J.D. 9:23PM,

That was wicked. Very wicked.

I liked it. LOL

Newyorkstateofmind said...

vitruvius 6:51 am

Especially enjoyed and found right-on the Kors' comments you excerpted.

Anonymous said...

But Lawyer J, on the matter of fiduciary duty, you cite cases (and I've seen others on my occasional searches) of employment situations where the court upholds IIED due to the conduct of a supervisor, who apparently does not have, according to your post, fiduciary responsibility. Wikipedia says IIED is a version of assault, where no direct "assault" may take place (though it appears to in the supervisor who rubbed against, etc., his subordinate), but there's some distant resemblance to it, and it's "outrageous".

In KC's post on questions for the 88 he specifically asks the signers what demonstrations and actions they approved of, and which they didn't. The ones they approve of are unspecified, which means, for instance, that the LAX parents were justified in wondering if the 88 were encouraging, for instance, the New Black Panthers to come on campus and extract confessions from the players. So your point that the 88 didn't endorse any particular demonstration goes to a kind of assault, as I see it, since they also, in an environment where many things were being mooted, didn't disavow any.

On top of this, Brodhead refused to meet with the LAX parents, who certainly had pressing concerns about the safety of their sons on campus, at the same time that Duke was very equivocal about exactly what the New Black Panthers would be allowed to do when they arrived. Whether this is a matter for tort law or contract law, I think someone will be able to establish that Duke, which had a campus police department, had a duty of care to students in its dormitories, and the LAX parents had legitimate concern that Duke was not going to observe this duty, especially in light of Brodhead's refusal to meet with them. Sounds like IIED to me, and as a former jury foreperson, I'd certainly take that set of facts seriously, assuming the judge let it get to me. My jury experience, by the way, irrespective of Law 101, which I take to be a condescending remark, suggests that not all lawyers recognize how good or bad the set of facts they're dealing with are.

Anonymous said...

John Bruce -- Let me take your last comment first:

"My jury experience, by the way, irrespective of Law 101, which I take to be a condescending remark, suggests that not all lawyers recognize how good or bad the set of facts they're dealing with are."

First, let me make absolutely clear that my recommendation of Law 101 was not meant to be condescending. It's a good book for intelligent non-lawyers who want to learn more about legal principles. I try to take the time to explain such principles on blogs because I feel that society benefits from having non-lawyers know as much about the law and the legal system as possible.

Regarding jurors' view of facts as opposed to lawyers' and judges' views -- law is a technical subject, just like engineering, accounting, or medicine, for example. Lawyers and judges are technicians; they have specialized training in the laws of their society, legal analysis, and legal procedure. We don't let all factual questions go to juries for the same reason that we don't let property owners overrule the decision of structural engineers on whether a building is safe or not. The judge, a technical specialist, acts as the gatekeeper of what goes to the jury. He decides whether a factual question is one on which reasonable minds with legal training could differ. If so, the factual question (e.g., whether defendant's conduct was outrageous under the law) goes to the jury for them to decide.

This is the way the Anglo-American legal system has been for centuries. The wisdom of this system becomes more evident if you imagine yourself in the place of a defendant. Say you wrote a letter to the New York Times shortly after O.J. Simpson was arrested, saying that you think he's guilty, that pro-football players are prone to violence against women, that blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes in the U.S., and that he deserves the electric chair. The letter is printed, and O.J. sues you for IIED, claiming that the letter made him severely depressed and physically ill. No decent judge would let that claim go to a jury because your conduct was well outside what previous cases have shown to be "outrageous" for purposes of a successful IIED claim. Now, one might respond that no reasonable jury would find that conduct to be outrageous anyway. But the problem is that there's no way to be sure that a jury would be reasonable. (Look at the jury in O.J.'s criminal trial, for example.)

Speaking more generally, the law enforced by courts and the justice system (including law as applied to facts) is not defined by what the majority might decide it is at any given time. It's defined by the written laws enacted by the legislature and by the common law as developed through judicial decisions over the centuries. Whether given conduct is outrageous for purposes of IIED, for example, is determined by a jury only if a judge first decides whether it reasonably could come within the bounds of outrageousness as defined by previous decisions by courts. The judge ventures outside the bounds of enacted laws and common law at his peril. That's what happened in Salem in 1692 -- the judges of the witchcraft cases decided to accept "spectral evidence," which was far outside what previous courts in England and America had done. The result was soon thereafter recognized by virtually everyone involved (including Samuel Sewall, one of the judges) as a tragic mistake.

"But Lawyer J, on the matter of fiduciary duty, you cite cases (and I've seen others on my occasional searches) of employment situations where the court upholds IIED due to the conduct of a supervisor, who apparently does not have, according o your post, fiduciary responsibility."

I think I see where the confusion is coming from. Fiduciary duty is not required for a claim of IIED. The topic came into the discusion from one of your quotes above from Wikipedia. The quote said that fiduciary duty is one of the factors that a court will take into account in determing if IIED is proven. In other words, if the duty is present, then IIED becomes somewhat easier to show. But if it's not present, its absence doesn't by itself prevent a claim of IIED from succeeding.

"Wikipedia says IIED is a version of assault, where no direct 'assault' may take place (though it appears to in the supervisor who rubbed against, etc., his subordinate), but there's some distant resemblance to it, and it's 'outrageous'."

As discussed above, the conduct must be "outrageous" as that concept has come to be defined in the law. The plaintiff must also show that the conduct (1) was intended to cause and (2) did cause (3) severe emotional distress. The element of intent, however, may be satisfied by showing that the defendant was reckless as to whether the conduct would cause such distress.

The other factual circumstances that you mention would be brought to the court's attention by the plaintiffs no doubt. There may be a breach of contract claim there against the University, and there may be Furek-type tort claim. The tort claim would offer the chance of greater damages. The plaintiffs would need to show that the protesters committed a tort against them (as far as I'm aware, the only tort it could be is IIED); that the University had a Furek-type duty to protect the plaintiffs from IIED; and that the University failed to discharge that duty. I know too little about the protests and other circumstances to venture a guess as to the chances that such a claim could succeed.

- Lawyer J

Anonymous said...

The suit against Duke and Kim Curtis alleges both breach of contract and IIED, so (as my attorney wife tells me) there is no problem with including different theories in one lawsuit, one coming from tort law and the other from contract law.

Again, it seems to me that the action of the 88/87, as I've said all along, goes to Duke's problem. Nobody can, or would really want to spend much effort trying to, collect from individual members of the 88. But the 88 made it at best ambiguous as to whether they spoke for Duke (something I believe nearly everyone recognizes, and in itself is recognized as a potential ethical problem for them), and Duke did not distance itself from them. (My attorney wife thinks Duke got narrow and short-sighted legal advice last spring.)

Nor can we escape the general view that what's been happening is "outrageous". I'm simply suggesting that, contrary to your assertion, the families of the LAX players have legitimate cause of action, but of course, we shall see in due course. On the other hand, I will try to avoid hiring an attorney with J as any initial in the future.

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