Tuesday, May 29, 2007

Seligmann to Brown

Reade Seligmann has decided to attend Brown University, beginning in fall 2007.

“I am excited and proud, he said today, “to be attending Brown University. I hope to make them proud of accepting me as a student. I am looking forward to just being a student again.

He also spoke to his teammates and coaches at Duke: I appreciate the support and loyalty of my teammates and coaches at Duke. I will miss them. I know that they will understand why I cannot return to Duke. I have been proud to be a part of their team and I am grateful for the support they have given to me over the past year.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wishing you all the best Reade.

Anonymous said...

Duke has lost very much, by not standing up for due process and for all of those things the G88 purport to uphold -- in large part by not standing up to the G88 itself, even in light of outragious violations of even the basest standards of decency.


For starters, they have now lost a really great student, someone who exemplified what Duke should stand for. They have driven off Coach G and at least some future LAX players and made recruiting for all sports that much harder.

I wonder if they didn't also manage to drive off some potential minority applicants?


My son chose Duke when he could have gone anywhere in the country, specifically because he was aware of the ideology-driven insanity that has gone on at Harvard and Penn. He thought Duke would have more of a balance than somewhere like MIT, while Stanford was too distant for his mother. He loves Duke, but it seems Duke does not reciprocate where students are concerned. Duke athletics was a significant, positive factor in his decision.

He tells me the best thing about Duke is the other students. I wonder how many future potential Duke students will now see Duke as he saw Harvard? I wonder how much Duke will lose before this is all in the past and I wonder what will be learned...

Chicago said...

Sad to see Reade go but it is very understandable. Given what he has been through, I would not go back to Duke either. Sad that Duke let Reade slip away while people like Sebrina Sebring and Chauncey Nartney remain.

Anonymous said...

If Duke doesn't rid itself of the Faculty88 and Richard Brodhead, it will continue to descend into irrelevancy.

Good luck, Reade!

Anonymous said...

This guy is terrific - a genuine nice guy, All the luck to him at his new school. Choosing Duke over an Ivy was not the best choice to make from the get-go. In spite of Josh, I would quess Cornell Lax wish they had him on their team.

Anonymous said...

God go with you, Reade. You are a class act, and Duke gets what they asked for....nothings like G88, Broadhead, and a BOT which will, in years to come, have to deal with the fallout. Their loss, Brown's gain. Best of luck.

Essex Fells 1964 - 1973

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Anonymous said...

Reade's a good kid, but as KC knows, the faculty is even wierder at Brown. Hopefully the admin. muzzles the leftist crowd and they leave him in peace.

Best of luck to him.

-Esquire-
-Maryland-

Anonymous said...

Good luck, Reade. Duke's loss is Brown's gain. May your remaining college years be filled with many good things.

tu nd said...

Congrats Reade, you're on the path to success and towards making a positive impact on the world. Looking forward to seeing your name in the paper in the coming years...in the box score for 'Brown goals and assists'

Gary Packwood said...

Truly great student athletes go where they feel welcome and wanted.

Do well Reade.
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GP

Gary said...

Even without the G88, Reade couldn't have returned to Duke. The attention wouldn't end "there's that innocent guy", he might have even gotten hounded by the press. On the field his name would always be prefaced by a short essay. He'd have to avoid any of the expanded G88 group if only because of grading considerations ... and maybe he'd like to attend a party and have a beer again prior to graduation -- couldn't do that at Duke.

That and the fact that the new night soil panthers are around along with other wackos.

I'm out of the loop on humanities Professors, but I know engineering faculty at both Brown and Duke and they are top-notch.

Anonymous said...

Coach Pressler is still the only faculty at Duke fired over the hoax; Unbelievable. 2 great athletes will not be returning, and for good reason. The innocent are gone and the guilty remain.

Duke has been blessed with some of the finest athletes and academic acheiving students in the country. These students bring tremendous prestige to the University. The administration should consider themselves blessed to be surrounded by such talent, and professors should be boasting of their privilege to teach in such an arena.
Instead, we see crap like the CCI, we see professors who OPENLY belittle the students they teach, and we see such a lack of moral character that it makes one wonder how Duke got so lucky to have such a talented student body.
The leadership at Duke failed miserably at leading. They abandoned principle for political ideology. When the going got tough, they crumbled.
Hats off to the Men and Women's Lacrosse teams, who stuck together under incredible pressure.
Brown U. just got lucky.

BDay

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duke09parent said...

Best of luck to you Reade, if you still read here. Brown has had a good share of athletes (see Brown Athletes to Pros)

One of the DC area's best running backs from five years ago was "Nick Hartigan '06, who helped lead the Bears to the 2005 Ivy League championship and is Brown's all-time leading rusher, is the most recent Brown graduate to take a stab at the NFL. After going un-drafted, he signed with the Jets as a free agent in 2006 but was cut by the team. He is now enrolled at Harvard Law School."

Pretty good athletic career. Pretty good grad school.

bill anderson said...

Reade's a good kid, but as KC knows, the faculty is even wierder at Brown. Hopefully the admin. muzzles the leftist crowd and they leave him in peace.

Best of luck to him.

-Esquire-
-Maryland-

May 29, 2007 4:06:00 PM


My hope is that radicals at Brown -- and they are legion -- leave Reade alone. He is a fine young man and what happened to him at Duke was a travesty.

What disappoints me is that Duke's people could not even apologize to him and the others. All the way to the end, they treated him and the players like dogs. It just is not right.

Anonymous said...

Carolyn says:

Brown is incredibly lucky to get him.

KC Johnson said...

The Brown administration, I should note, is a most impressive one, from President Ruth Simmons on down.

Anonymous said...

Sorry! I meant to post this here:
I am sorry to hear that Reade is going to Brown. Ironically, I think he stand a better chance at being just a student at Duke than he does at Brown. For one thing, Brown is an extraordinarily liberal school. If the students run true to form, they will have the same attitude as the Group of 88. Second, like it or not, he is highly recognizable. At Brown he will be a novelty to some, a symbol (of white male privilege) to others. At Duke, they already know him, know his story intimately and already support him.

Steven Horwitz said...

Did anyone catch "Pardon the Interruption" on ESPN today? I love that show and like Wilbon and Kornheiser a lot, but... they had a quick segment on the Duke LAX team, wondering if either was rooting for them to win and get the storybook ending.

They both agreed that had Duke won, it would have enabled people to "sweep things under the rug" because, of course, "something happened" that night "even if they were innocent of what they were charged with" (paraphrases in quotes).

Sigh. Make me just want to scream:

WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT NO ONE ELSE DOES? And if by "something happened" you mean fairly typical (if juvenile) male college behavior, then you better be equally skeptical about the good behavior of pretty much every college athletic team in the country.

Anonymous said...

7:14 Duke did not support the guys at all. He is much better off at Brown. I think he will have a fantastic experience there and most of the students know the whole thing was unjust. Just because it's a liberal northeast school doesn't mean everyone is racist against white people. Brown showed great class and liberal understanding to accept him and let him start again. Many know he never did anything that they haven't done(remember all the allegations were false and he wasn'teven at the party that long) and just as easily they could walk in his shoes.
KC right on again> Brown is a great school with an open minded President who made an fantastic choice to extend the opportunity to Reade. Brown has always been known for it's quirkiness and forward thinking about academic ideals. Best wishes to Reade as he starts up again.

Deklan Singh said...

You see! Ha! That boy in NO ANGEL! Would an angel have split an infinitive? Something did happen that night! Plenty of improper grammar!

Maybe that's what Broadhead meant. Even if the boys weren't guilty of rape, assault or kidnapping, they deserved what happened to them because they were probably splitting infinitives and dangling participles all up in that piece on March 13th.

NO ANGELS!

Deklan Singh said...

Just to be clear, Reade would have been a rock star, at least within the undergraduate population. That guy would have gotten more ass than a rocking chair. He could have supplemented his work/study income by enrolling in a G88 class ever semester at a 5th course, waiting for the professor to fail him, waiting for the University to change it to a Pass because of a "calculation error" and cashing the settlement check from Duke the next day. Would have been a sweet gig, if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

I still say the Gang of 88 cost Duke a national championship. If Finnerty and Seligmann play, Duke wins. Think about this, BoT.

Anonymous said...

Best of luck to Reade and congratulations to Brown on adding an oustanding student-athlete and an outstanding person to their student body.

Anonymous said...

Old Granddad says:

Amen to 8:34:00. And very best wishes to Reade. He's got the right stuff!

A proud Duke lacrosse grandparent
G. Holman King
Granbury, TX

Anonymous said...

Don't forget, they were serious contenders for 2006 as well.


I am still waiting to see some major scandal over a NCCU team having a party with underage drinking and hiring stippers (white? Black? which would be worse -- care to bet that there have been instances of both in the past year? or, is it OK -- one of those cultural things that the rest of the country can't get because we haven't been there?).

Oh wait, there isn't even any coverage when a gang of Black individuals kidnaps, rapes, and tortures to death a white couple in a crime that is the definition of hate. Or when a Central student openly advocates violence and another, punishment for the historical wrongs of others. Or, when a white Duke student is allegedly raped by a black at an off campus party reportedly involving illegal drugs and firearms.

Guess that story on Central students is going to keep me waiting... Good thing there are many who are still trying to make the Duke students into villans deserving of all they got or I might lose perspective. I guess that makes everyone else innocent because they were doing the right thing by making those boys pay. Good to know there is no need of any sort of an apology and no need for anything to change. Let's keep piling on so we can be sure those boys have learned their lesson. Us? We have nothing to learn, our special status imbues us with an exemption from any critical self-examination and makes it wrong (and invalid) for anyone else to criticize.


Really, can things be any more broken? How is it that so many fail to see? This takes the term "willful ignorance" to new heights (lows?).

rrhamilton said...

BEST SINGLE-SENTENCE COMMENT OF THE MONTH

anonymous @ 5:30 PM said: "The innocent are gone [from Duke] and the guilty remain."

Anonymous said...

criticizing the Duke lacrosse team for distracting media attention from Johns Hopkins

I'd be willing to bet that none of the Hopkins players, coaches, or staff would want to trade places with their counterpart on the Duke sqad, over the past year. Even with a different outcome in the final, I doubt anyone would have taken the trade in this direction. At the same time, I'd bet nearly all on Duke would have been willing to trade the negative experiences of the past year for the title. Really, the Hopkins team has no complaint -- and to their credit, did not complain. Nor did Cornell.


And don't even ask about trading spots with the Rutgers players :).


Those who refuse to admit how wrong they were in the things they said about the Duke teams have lost whatever moral authority they might once have pretended to hold and really have no business lecturing anyone on anything.

Anonymous said...

to rrhamilton;

Thank you for the compliment.

BDay

Anonymous said...

To Reade Seligmann:

I just graduated from Brown--it's more politicized than Duke's. My girlfriend is graduating from Trinity next year, so I know a lot about Duke's academic culture.

Ruth Simmons, the president of Brown, makes Richard Brodhead look like Sir Walter Raleigh. For Simmons, everything--and I do mean everything--is about "diversity."

To wit:

a.) Brown is spending a lot of money for a steering committee on slavery and "justice." [emphasis added]What's the point? Does this have an academic point? Of course not. Simmons just wants to make the Brown community guilty so that she can spread her message of the purity and sheer loveliness of affirmative action.

b.) Simmons is more concerned about "reparations" than she is about serious scholarship. She is forcing Brown to fund an entire initiative on this, yet we all know that few people in US had anything to do with slavery.

c.) Which brings us to the Department of Africana Studies (AAAS at Duke). Dig this, at Brown there's a "Plan for Academic Enrichment: Practicing Diversity." (I'm not making this up; all these facts can be easily verified.) In this Pravda-lite wonderland of Brown, "Achieving academic excellence requires a commitment to diversity...so that the student can DEAL WITH COMPLEXITY MORE READILY." [emphasis added] Yes, Ruth Simmons has jumped the shark.

d.) The Department of Africana Studies has--are you ready for this?--15 full-time professors (including Simmons) and 12 visiting professors, for a total of 27 in one academically weak department.

Brown also houses an Office of Institutional Diversity AND an Office of EEOC and Affirmative Action.

Welcome to Brown.

Gary Packwood said...

-Esquire - Maryland - 4:06 said...

...Reade's a good kid, but as KC knows, the faculty is even weirder at Brown. Hopefully the admin. muzzles the leftist crowd and they leave him in peace.

Best of luck to him.
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I think the Brown Anger Studies faculty may be similar to Duke's but I'll bet they are not extremists...as they clearly are at Duke.

Perhaps the Anger Studies faculty at Brown have enough to keep them busy with injustice in the New York City area without having to 'set up' and harass their own students...for 'research'.

I'll bet that Reade will be the campus expert on anticipating and then dealing with campus extremists!

He even may make a guest appearance at the Brown University Women's Center - Safe Haven!

If so, he will probably be the only person on the Brown campus who has a clue about the prospect of spending 30 years in prison.
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GP

Anonymous said...

Everything bad about Duke is bad about Brown. That's true of EVERY good college/university in the land now. Same Admin, same faculty. Fortunately, Mr Seligman is unlikely to find himself in a position where Brown will be able to prove that to him... I hope! Also, it's not in the Banana Republic of Durham. Going back to Duke was never a realistic option.

Anonymous said...

You know, there are many Northern white boys whose ancestors died in the Civil War, fighting to end slavery. Perhaps some of these even play Lacrosse or live in the South


There are also many who do not now live, because their would-be ancestors didn't live for all sorts of reasons. To wit: compare slavery to the "Final Solution" and then compare how the populations tied to these historical events have faired (and why). Consider those who have died in any of our country's wars (recall that the largest mass killings in history have all been tied to governments that the US has fought, or fought to contain). Consider the fates of various indigenous people's around the world or how the African Diaspora has faired (for the most part, not so well) in other societies. Consider victims of disease, or of crime...

There are immigrants who come to this country every day with much less than many who have had the advantages of living their entire lives here -- who go on to become productive member of society, even though they may have so much more cause to blame.

The point here is that blaming all problems on the past is an excuse that only enables future failings. Learning from the past is one thing, living in an imagined past, quite another. As we have seen, it can also be quite dangerous to everyone involved.

Those who can't overcome the past invariably have a radical, largely uninformed, and grossly distorted view of it. They choose to have what has come before define them. Wanting to vilify the lads because of what they are perceived to be is just plain wrong. Those who have held these views over the past year really, really need to take a long look in the mirror. Just as not all Blacks have ancestors who were slaves, not all whites have ancestors who benefited from slavery. But no matter the specifics for any individual, each has self-determination and responsibility for their own acts – which did not include slavery. As for things like denial of Civil Rights, discrimination, or prejudice, it has been shown that no group has a monopoly on these things!

jamil hussein said...

His new professor at Brown has just been announced:
Prof 'Donnell (Minority & Transgender Studies)

Anonymous said...

10:18--well said

Jamil--faaabbuliscious

Anonymous said...

That "Brown graduate" seems to share a lot of interests with Polanski (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Major Polanski Basher

duke 85 said...

Whatever happened to Amy Carter? Maybe she's advising her dad.

Reade just has 2 more years and those as an upperclassman. I'm sure he'll be most careful about watching his back and for snakes in the grass.

Best of luck.

Gary Packwood said...
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Anonymous said...

Bill Anderson wrote:
"My hope is that radicals at Brown -- and they are legion -- leave Reade alone. He is a fine young man and what happened to him at Duke was a travesty."

Bill, My hope is that Reade sues the hell out of DPD, Nifong, the Group of 88 and Duke so that the radicals at Brown realize that they are at risk if they try to intimidate or utilize grade retaliation against him.

Gary Packwood said...

Anonymous 10:18 said...

...The point here is that blaming all problems on the past is an excuse that only enables future failings. Learning from the past is one thing, living in an imagined past, quite another. As we have seen, it can also be quite dangerous to everyone involved.
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But there is a method to their madness now and that is called repatriations. The extremists want to be known as the educated community who brought about repatriations for the oppressed.

Only this time repatriations will take on the form of 'settlements' with the government of the United States. Think tobacco settlements or settlements with the Native Americans.

The settlements will include (1) Free college tuition for the oppressed (2) National health care for everyone (3) Transportation for poor people in the neighborhoods (4) A greatly expanded subsidized housing program and (5) Social Security credits for single stay at home moms.

The faculty extremists are more interested in being responsible for these 'settlements' rather than the actual settlements themselves.

I suggest we just debate these issues nationally rather than allowing the extremists to enable the poor and disenfranchised to believe that they are victims of something that happened in their imagined past.

Reade and his 'privileged' and powerful friends at Tier #1 schools in the nation will help all of this happen, of course...in the name of diversity.
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GP

Anonymous said...

Gary Packwood--

I think you mean "reparations." "Repatriations" means returning people to their home country--a rather significant difference in this context.

Anonymous said...

Brown is the lowest rated Ivy--and its ranking will fall further under Simmons. Soon it will probably fall from the Ivy League.

Ruth Simmons is a totally undistinguished scholar and administrator. God help Brown.

Anonymous said...

11:49--probably a Freudian slip

Simmons would look good teaching her crap in a hut in Zimbabwe.

Gary Packwood said...

Anonymous 11:49said...
Gary Packwood--

I think you mean "reparations." "Repatriations"means returning people to their home country--a rather significant difference in this context.
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Yes Indeed. Thanks for the catch.
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GP

Anonymous said...

KC Johnson and Gary Packwood are optimistic about Mr. Seligmann's move to Brown, but, I join Bill Anderson, Esquire of Maryland, and the Anonymous Brown grad who posted at 9:27 in being less enthusiastic about Brown. The place is pretty grim, as the anonymous poster notes. And our Brown alum didn't even mention Evelyn Hu-DeHart, the head of the Center for the Study of Race & Ethnicity in America. She is reprising a role she had at the University of Colorado, from 1988 to 2002, when she moved upward and onward to Brown. Dr. Hu-DeHart claimed that one of her best hires at Colorado was Ward Churchill. He is the same guy whose termination was just recommended by the university president. The grounds for removing Churchill from his comfy post in Colorado's Department of Ethnic Studies is academic misconduct.

While at Brown, Hu-DeHart has shown the same sort of drive to promote ideologically desirable persons ahead of sound scholarship or a diversity of ideas that typified her tenure at Colorado. Simmons, Hu-DeHart and the rest of the Brown administration do not strike me as any improvement over the Broadhead and G-88 problem at Duke.

I sincerely wish Mr. Seligmann good luck, and a speedy graduation from Brown.

Anonymous said...

It's not hard to wonder how Monday's game would have turned out differently had Reade and Colin been on the field.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Brown grad for proving my point that Reade would be better off at Duke. For those of you who think that the liberals at Brown are not racist: think again. Remember Karla Holloway: "White innocence = black guilt"? These types are all about white guilt. America= bad. White, male= bad. Well to do= super bad.
Plus I think Duke is a much better school. I know lots of current students at Brown. Do you realize that you can take 4 yrs of classes pass/fail? That is outrageous in my opinion!

Anonymous said...

Providence is a great city. Reade will be very happy here.

Anonymous said...

So where is Colin Finnerty going?

Anonymous said...

Another reason Reade made the right choice>Nifong is still the DA, Chalmers is still the police chief and Gottleib, lavecy and Linwood still have their jobs> as do all the other judges, police department members who target Duke students and media players in his almost take down. Also, if the rumor about Cyrstal Magnum going to Duke is true.... need I say more?
Well, Brown is just a much better choice. He's not going to be an AA studies major either so will not have much contact with the department where grades could be affected. He's going to make the best defense attorney, in the NY area that you have ever seen.

Anonymous said...

I did see 'Pardon the Interuption'.
It made me sick to hear what they said...anyone have an e-mail for those commentators?

Are these people deaf or illiterate? Did they hear the AG?
OMG this is amazing...and it was BOTH of the commentators....

Michael said...

NESN (New England Sports News) had two repeating stories (outside of the usual Red Sox, Patriot and NBA stories) and they were Reade and the French Open. They put up a timeline of events and did use the word Innocent.

Anonymous said...

I think you guys have your facts wrong on that rumor about CGM going to Duke. I heard she was going to Brooklyn College.

Anonymous said...

Best wishes to you Reade.

Mr X

Anonymous said...

Reade should have gone to Carolina to get back at Dook, a la Jason Capel.

BTW, great observation 5:30 about the only faculty member to be fired over the LAX affair.

That is the type of accountability that breeds irrelevancy. Whenever employers start to hire despite the faculty, the institution is living on borrowed time.

Anonymous said...

Finnerty went to London School of Economics. KC, is that correct?

Anonymous said...

CGM going to Duke is in the class of Grassy Knoll conspiracy. Stop wasting your breath.

Anonymous said...

8:33
Kornheiser and Wilbon (excuse any spelling errors) are buddies with Feinstein. Integrity, truth, or the facts have nothing to do with their attitude.

KC Johnson said...

Collin is undecided--he has the option to do a study-abroad at LSE, yes.

Anonymous said...

Congratulation Reade. You are a winner!

Mark said...

best of luck, Ready

Anonymous said...

Good Luck at the most left-wing PC crazy of all the IVY League schools. Why a white heterosexual male would want to attend Brown University is beyond me. In any event, pick your classes carefully. Anything in the humanities should be avoided, if at all possible.

Anonymous said...

I am disturbed to see such vitriol on this thread. First let me acknowledge that I myself am a proud liberal.

Like many of you, I was thoroughly disgusted with the handling of the Duke Lacrosse case and was thrilled to see justice served in the dismissal and declaration of innocence for Reade, Collin and Dave. I am also hopeful that Mike Nifong will receive a just punishment for his horrific conduct.

However, I have to disagree with the general tone of this thread regarding Brown in particular and "liberal" academia in particular. I did not attend Brown (I went to Yale, another famous bastion of student and faculty "liberalism"), but I do know Brown is an institution with an excellent academic reputation and a solid athletic program. That the faculty and student body tend to be "liberal"-- i.e. valuing freedom of body, ideas, values, expression--is something to be celebrated. I imagine Reade will find Brown a place where people are free to discuss ideas and debate issues. I also imagine he will find a warm, inviting and, yes, DIVERSE student body (since when is exposure to people different from oneself a bad idea??).

I am by no means excusing the behavior of the Gang of 88-- they were wrong and should acknowledge their mistake. However, the idea that the conduct and outcome of this case was an indictment of all liberal thought or vidication for the conservative, anti-political correctness crowd is, to my mind, inaccurate. In Reade's statement the day of the dismissal, he admirably spoke of dedicating his life to social justice-- hardly an anti-liberal idea!

From what I have seen of Reade, any institution would be lucky to have him as a student and future alumnus. I was actually hoping he'd choose Yale.

I think we all need to step back and appreciate that there are good, earnest, honest, loyal, warm, smart, fair people at Brown and other institutions. Making assumptions and premature accusations based on factors such as race, socioeconomic status, even ideology, is dangerous and makes us all seem an awful lot like that Gang of 88.

Best of luck, Reade.

Anonymous said...

It's good to see an ACTUAL Yale student saying accurate things about Brown (with which he'll be familiar) instead of a FAKE "Brown student" repeating standard Internet-troll nonsense about a left-wing bogeyman Brown University.
As an ACTUAL Brown student myself I know that Reade Seligmann will find a welcoming, tolerant, SMART institutional culture and students in Providence this fall. And Reade knows that as well, which is why he chose Brown from among the several overtures he received from Ivy schools and their peers.

Anonymous said...

One of the trolls above said that Brown President "Ruth Simmons is a totally undistinguished scholar and administrator." He'd better tell that to Time and Newsweek, which have separately named Simmons the Best University President (in 2002 and 2003).
The troll also said that "Brown is the lowest rated Ivy," presumably referring to the U.S. News rankings. More illuminating and less subjective are the NBER rankings by economists at Harvard, Wharton, and Boston University. The NBER report (2005) measured head-to-head selectivity according to top students' ultimate choice of college (several thousand students were tracked). Brown was 4th behind the Big Three, ahead of Columbia, Dartmouth, Penn, and Cornell, and a full 12 places ahead of Duke. (Download the 50-page report from the website of the National Bureau of Economic Research; its lead authors are Avery, Glickman, Hoxby, and Metrick.)